Westminsterenders: The Ersatz ImitationThread

[OlennasWimple]

I am no RedToothBrush, so I'm not going to try to emulate her exception OP style.

Here, though, in the interests of carrying on our conversations about WTF is going on with Brexit and the weird political world we find ourselves in right now, is a sort of continuation thread

(Hurry back Red, we need you!)

Sorry , sometimes I just need to vent , she took early retirement at 55 and earns more in her pension than I do as a wage , sigh !

Hi All.

Taking a much needed week off Westministenders.

Thanks for the new thread.

I will be back. Just needed a break from the utter bullshit.

www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jul/27/aberdeen-brexit-worst-british-centre-for-citieis

Aberdeen to be worst hit by Brexit but all British cities will suffer – report

Brexit logic though isn't it? "My town is shit so i want prosperous cities to become shit too". Race to the bottom.

I got a laugh from this short clip of Farage's show. Listen to the end:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155289009846558&id=117611746557

Brexit logic though isn't it? "My town is shit so i want prosperous cities to become shit too". Race to the bottom

To be fair to those shit towns, I come from one of them. It is really galling to see your home town declining and no investment coming in.
There are so many more opportunities for those living in the South obviously housing is a much bigger issue in the South

So pissed off that Cameron and Osbourne didn't realise how utterly dejected large swathes of the country felt.

Why would you have expected them to care?

So pissed off that Cameron and Osbourne didn't realise how utterly dejected large swathes of the country felt.

Quite, but nor does May, apart from a few empty words about the Just About Managing.

How many people voted Leave to give Cameron a kick in the teeth? If May had been a true leader she would have recognised that, and sought to find the real reasons behind the vote, taking time to find the way forward for the country. Instead, her own prejudice against immigration and an appeasement of her right wing has led the country to the current mess.

Morning everybody - glad to have found you. I'm currently on s campsite in the south of France feeling very grateful for the EU's policy on roaming charges!!

Going back to an earlier comment about food prices- they are noticeably more expensive than in previous years. Partly of course the exchange rate, and partly because I'm stocking up on wine in preparation for march 2019, but even so- food is noticeably more expensive.

If that's the case here, the U.K. probably has some way to go and won't like it.

Peregrina.....this is it, in a nutshell.it really is.

How many people voted Leave to give Cameron a kick in the teeth? If May had been a true leader she would have recognised that, and sought to find the real reasons behind the vote, taking time to find the way forward for the country. Instead, her own prejudice against immigration and an appeasement of her right wing has led the country to the current mess.

I always remember talking to a widowed extended family member, living up North, in her late 60's, no private pension, still working in any cleaning/caring job she can find out of necessity. She dithered about her vote saying she didn't have any problem with the EU but felt there wasn't enough money to go around, and didn't know where to read something impartial. Eventually she voted out saying it was because " ..we've had enough". She meant of feeling left behind the south and feeling a disproportionate burden of austerity. For her immigration wasn't a factor. I remember thinking at the time that sadly if my relative were given an equivalent of a winter fuel payment so say a £200 M&S voucher to spend on gifts for Christmas, she'd have voted the other way.

However where does recognising the real reasons get us now? Some politicians also agree with Peregrina's summary but still don't push for a Brexit exit.

Prepare for an influx of leavebots, Dublin have kicked off
behind times paywall
Now awaiting a load of people not understanding why ROI won't just do what the UK wants and failing to understand they may want to protect their own borders too.

Varadkar is offering a solution - it's just not one that Brexiteers (or the DUP) will like. A columnist in the Irish Times described Brexit very accurately, imo, as "an act of aggression" against Ireland and the British seem to think that they should just bend over to accommodate their increasingly hopeless and muddled aspirations. The Irish have shown exceptional patience considering what an unwanted clusterfuck this will be for them.

Behr is onto something here - brexit has its roots in historic national humiliation. However, like Dworkins' call this morning for people not to be asked to make complex decisions, relying on emotional 'gut feelings' rather than evidence, it's sadly likely to make many pro-leavers feel more, rather than less likely, to stick tightly to their original positions - the psychological tendency to 'throw good money after bad' is itself rooted in shame and humiliation.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/dunkirk-brexit-retreat-europe-britain-eec

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland-idUSKBN1AD0KG?il=0
Didn't take much to flush the DUP out:
A senior member of the Northern Irish unionist party propping up British Prime Minister Theresa May's government warned on Friday that a hardening of Dublin's position on Brexit risked "a very hard border" returning to the island...

...Politicians in London, Dublin, Belfast and Brussels have all said they want to avoid the return of a "hard border" but Ian Paisley Jr of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) warned of exactly that when he reacted strongly to a report that Dublin wanted the Irish Sea to effectively be the post-Brexit border.

"1 of 2 things will now happen 1. A very hard border 2. Ireland will wise up and leave the EU," Paisley Jr, a member of the British parliament, said on Twitter, linking to the report in the Times newspaper.

The fuck it will.

The response of the DUP is typically arrogant and aggressive.

A hard border means resumed warfare.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/28/treasury-eu-regeneration-funds-brexit-uk-eu

Ireland will wise up and leave the EU
I think Ireland already knows the benefits of staying in the EU greatly outweighs tagging along with our clusterfuck ride

I can't see Ireland leaving the EU. It's been good for them, and has enabled to throw off the shackles of being a minor partner in what was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland less than a hundred years ago (at a time when both my parents were young children).

Just look at the comments. Boy oh boy, are the Brexiters frit! Anyone would think that the UK wasn't the one who initiated all this.

Johnson makes rather silly comparisons with the Millenium bug that was supposed to hit computers. What he doesn't realise is that a huge amount of preparation went on to forestall that happening. My own firm at the time had a major overhaul of its finance and accounting systems in readiness, whereas if there hadn't been a potential threat, the system would have soldiered on for another 10 years or so.

Now, of course, we have been making the same thorough preparation for the post Brexit world, haven't we?

Peregrina - it could almost be argued that his Y2K analogy is correct, because, as you point out, it was only due to the massive amount of preparatory/preventative work that there wasn't an issue.

The sort of work that we are not doing in preparation for Brexit - like sorting out Dover's massive car parks logistics to cope with the delays incurred by NTBs **

Wales really didn't have a clue.

A few of us did and luckily we voted to stay not that it made any difference to the end result, a lot of the south has been neglected since the 80's so it was anti westminster policy vote for some who didnt realise how much funding Wales is/was getting from the EU even though it says so on the cunting signs, #nocureforstupidity

Cant remember what news programme it was during the referendum but they were doing an interview in front of the sign for the town so had the usual 'LLamedos sponsored by the EU' or whatever and this one gentleman was going on about how the EU do nothing for Wales ITS ON THE FUCKING SIGN BEHIND YOU

Interesting article on EU regional funding. Looks like the UK is only getting back £8.4bn for this over 6 years? Not much bang for our £350m per week on the bus.