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Westminsterenders: The Ersatz ImitationThread

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OlennasWimple · 25/07/2017 20:59

I am no RedToothBrush, so I'm not going to try to emulate her exception OP style.

Here, though, in the interests of carrying on our conversations about WTF is going on with Brexit and the weird political world we find ourselves in right now, is a sort of continuation thread

(Hurry back Red, we need you!)

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DividedKingdom · 31/07/2017 19:49

I'd stake cash that there will be no transition deal without FoM. And also that there will be no permanent deal come March 2019...and that Downing Street agrees with me, so ConfusedHmm

Peregrina · 31/07/2017 19:50

Suggestions that freedom of movement will continue after the UK leaves the EU are wrong, Downing Street has said.

Theresa May also said that there was going to be no early election, (and I bet she wishes she had stuck to this now.) So, expect a U-turn to be on the cards shortly.

prettybird · 31/07/2017 20:03

Not strictly about Brexit but just demonstrates how crazy the US world is at the moment.

Scaramucci out as Trump media chief
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40782299

And this is the strong and stable government that we want to cosy up to Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 31/07/2017 20:04

The only transition deal to keep trade as it is, as I posted upthread:

The UK in the Single Market, keeping to the 4 pillars, i.e. including FOM and ECJ
paying contributions similar to those now
BUT stripped of rights to participate in EU Parliament elections (so no MEPs) and probably also stripped of the rights to vote with the E27 govts on EU matters

BigChocFrenzy · 31/07/2017 20:08

(Times paywall) The three Brexiteers are abroad, so slam the borders shut now* * Grin
< WARNING: not very serious ! >

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-three-brexiteers-are-abroad-so-slam-the-borders-shut-now-2br59bvd6

It’s time to take back control of our borders.
Not in 2019, or 2022, or 2050 when we’re all driving around on hoverboards powered by two AAA batteries.
We need to do it now.

With the Three Brexiteers scattered across the globe, we should lock the door before they can get back in. Grin

Can it be a coincidence that in the week when the government seems finally to have got its act together back home, the people “in charge” of making Brexit a success have been playing with their Union Jack fidget spinners in the world’s departure lounges?

David Davis has been interrailing around Europe with little more than a backpack of dreams.

On Wednesday the Brexit secretary arrived in Germany.
Apparently thinking that their boss was in the running to be the next James Bond,
his department refused to say what he was up to on his secretive mission.
It soon became clear why.

There was no one-to-one with Angela Merkel, but he did get to see the prime minister of Bavaria.
Woo-hoo!

It is only a matter of time before he secures a meeting with the Narnia Board of Trade,
a roundtable with King Arthur and
a bilateral with the Queen of Hearts about exporting tarts through our new frictionless customs arrangements.

Brexiteers like the word “frictionless” because it makes customs sound all silky and sexy,
when it simply means “exactly like we have now but we can’t say that because . . . Brexit”.

Meanwhile, Liam Fox and Boris Johnson are like a couple of uncool boys at the end of term trying to impress girls with the promise of a really amazing party they are going to be having,
like, really soon, well like in two weeks or maybe two years, or four, but we’ll definitely still be friends then, won’t we,
and you’ll come to the party and we can get really drunk and make a trade deal.

Colleagues are unimpressed.
“Forget sucking up to all those other places,” says one minister.
“If we can’t trade fully with the EU we are f@@@ed.”

Mr Johnson has been in Australia,
the last place left that has not been scratched off the giant “who has he offended” map on the Foreign Office wall Grin < true ! >

He made a speech where he talked about going down under as a teenager and returning wearing “shorts of appalling brevity”.

And his complete balls have been clear to everyone ever since Grin

Transatlantic fanboy Mr Fox has been in Washington,
where Donald Trump tweeted that we would get a trade deal which,
if his recent pronouncements are anything to go by, probably means it definitely won’t happen.

Mr Fox then went to Mexico and boasted about selling them doubledecker buses.
Honestly.

The international trade secretary, whose only constitutional role is to provide puns for headline writers,
got into a frightful spat with Michael Gove over the best way to wash a chicken.

Everyone knows the only patriotic way to prepare poultry is to rinse it with the urine of a British bulldog,
smother it in soil from the playing fields of Eton,
wrap it in a Queen Mum tea towel
and cook for no more than 20 minutes on gas mark 2.

If there is still blood coming out of it, don’t let bossy Brussels tell you it’s not ready.

E. coli means E. coli and we’re going to make a success of it
[proud Brittish grit emoticon required]

Mrsmartell08 · 31/07/2017 20:14

Ah!
I see scarramuchi has done the fandango!!

BigChocFrenzy · 31/07/2017 21:29

I've been reflecting again on Disaster Capitalism (2007 book by Naomi Klein)

iirc, her book claims that in some developed countries, powerful capital has deliberately created / exploitated national crises to push through controversial policies,
while citizens are too emotionally and physically distracted by disasters or upheavals to mount an effective resistance.

The Legatum Institute looks to be one of those who hope to profit from disaster capitalism - from WTO / disorderly Brexit

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86556

"Legatum Institute seems to be paving the way for its "parent undertakings",
engineering a "disruptive transition" for Brexit, then to reap the profits from chaos.

Its task is assisted by useful fools and fellow travellers on the Tory right.

What we have often characterised as incompetence, therefore, may be more sinister.
There is money to be made out of a hard Brexit."

Valentine2 · 31/07/2017 21:42

Every single day that May is abroad, I have been halfjoking with DH that this time around, she might come back home with the idea of a second referendum on one of her walks with her husband.
Grin

Valentine2 · 31/07/2017 21:49

Sorry. I haven't been reading all posts and didn't realise discussion is on Klein's Disaster Capitalism right now.
Sad

Motheroffourdragons · 31/07/2017 22:37

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prettybird · 31/07/2017 22:44

John Sessions is the one I think is most at risk should be worried.

Although John Kelly might managed to restrain Trump by warning him that if he were to go after Sessions then the GOP might actually have the gumption to begin the inevitable impeachment process.

--W

prettybird · 31/07/2017 22:44

Wish we had an impeachment process here Wink

Motheroffourdragons · 31/07/2017 22:48

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BigChocFrenzy · 31/07/2017 22:52

MrsMartell Grin < kicks up heels in fandango >

BigChocFrenzy · 31/07/2017 22:56

Valentine We all talk about what we want. Herding cats, trying to guide us anywhere !
We're still much more coherent than the cabinet.

prettybird · 31/07/2017 22:58

Grin BigChoc

BigChocFrenzy · 31/07/2017 23:02

pretty We have a "misconduct in public office" offence:

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/ltooo/misconductinnpublic_office/

"a public officer acting as such
. wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself
. to such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder
. without reasonable excuse or justification"

In a fair & just society, that would nail Cameron, May, the 3 Stooges ...
BUT in our society, our rulers all escape scotfree

Motheroffourdragons · 31/07/2017 23:02

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BigChocFrenzy · 31/07/2017 23:04

So,long as you don't let Cameron anywhere near a pig < clutches innocent little porker to her bosom >

prettybird · 31/07/2017 23:05

For those that have been on the CFN/CFB threads (where Cheeky Fucker Builders have taken out an arched window in a Grade 2 listed building into an enclosed private garden owned by Wattyyy and appear to be ignoring a Stop order from Planning Shock) ....

#LastslongerthanScaramucci Wattyyy's CFN/CFB saga Wink

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prettybird · 31/07/2017 23:13

....missed out the essential information that the CFBs have put in patio doors (in place of said arched window) that lead into Wattyyy's enclosed private garden Shock - and seem to think that replacing the PVC patio doors with wooden ones will be ok Confused

It's MN classic gold! Grin .....has songs and everything (including Bohemian Rhapsody Wink)

lonelyplanetmum · 31/07/2017 23:18

Pig boards ...really loving the idea.

It's all gone a bit Animal farm🐷

There is a possible FOM angle on the CFN thread 8 though!

lonelyplanetmum · 31/07/2017 23:23

Just googled pig boards for bringing the Government into line.The Accidental small holder website has pertinent advice....

" Pig boards should be used with a hooked stick if you want to control the direction and speed , as in the show ring, but it does require some practice.

Using a board on its own will herd the pig in a general direction and offer protection to your legs from sharp teeth, useful if you have gates or a race up already.

You can control a pig with a bucket of feed, (even the sound of a rattling bucket) but this takes time to condition the pig that a) humans are safe to be around and b) a bucket means food.

Rubbing the pigs bellies from an early age will often make them flop to the ground, and is a useful way to tame them.

Using the bucket method works less well if the pig isn't hungry-using a race/crush is an alternative
*
Bucket over head and steer with tail. Pigs that can't see, walk backwards to get away. Can be used for desperate manoeuvres*.

Mostly just use a banana though! "