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Westministenders: Transition

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2017 22:02

Last thread opener, it was all about the government buzz word being shown to listen at every opportunity.

Now transition is creeping in as people realise that no we can't just do a settlement, arrange a new trade deal with the EU and have a whole host of other deals in place in two years.

Who'd have thought.

We will be getting Brexit because we give in to threats of terrorism. Not quite getting how that takes back control.

But Brexit will be good. It will be glorious. And in the long term we will be better off for it.

Er ok.

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PurplePeppers · 13/07/2017 20:22

clash the new system they are talking about is scary in itself. I'm wondering if that will go ahead too.
I hope not TBH as a self employed person, it will ne a nightmare

HesterThrale · 13/07/2017 20:23

'Brexit is dying' and 'in terrible trouble' because the Tories are not united, says ex-Tory MP.

www.google.co.uk/amp/metro.co.uk/2017/07/13/brexit-is-dying-and-is-in-terrible-trouble-says-former-tory-mp-6775680/amp/

Valentine2 · 13/07/2017 21:18

This has been bothering me about that interview of May today but I only just managed to pin what was bothering me.
She says it was her husband who was on the duty to come and tell her the exit polls. Why wasn't she able to sit in front of the tv herself? What does it say about her character and strength?
There is something deeply troubling about a PM who does this.

SwedishEdith · 13/07/2017 21:31

www.ft.com/content/be2b22ce-67fc-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614

Britain concedes it will have to pay EU exit bill.

Oh. Grin

HesterThrale · 13/07/2017 21:36

Swedish wow is that the 70 billion that Boris yesterday said they could 'whistle for'? That's swift capitulation.
(Can't read article - paywall.)

HashiAsLarry · 13/07/2017 21:36

I can't even escape politics whilst watching the darts
david cameron is after a sizeable majority
I thought I'd sat on the remote and was watching an old episode of hignfy or something
😂

Second massive fight of the summer ended in a concede and run away?

OlennasWimple · 13/07/2017 21:39

Valentine - I thought that May meant that it was her husband who had the job of sharing the good / bad news with her rather than a party lackey, Nick / Fiona, trusted ministerial colleague... Not that she was sat in the cupboard rocking (though that may well have been the case)

Clash - what in layman's terms is MTD?

SwedishEdith · 13/07/2017 21:50

MTD

SwedishEdith · 13/07/2017 21:51

Hester - if you google FT articles by their title you can often read the whole thing.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2017 21:59

The "soft" Brexit - which is apparently what the more informed Leavers like the Norths, Bookef and apparently Cummings were assuming -
would be based on EEA / EFTA, with services bolted on.

However, the UK has to apply to join - no country is just given an invitation.
Maybe Barnier will get exasperated, poke DD with a sharp stick and remind him to apply

HesterThrale · 13/07/2017 22:00

Thanks Swedish that worked.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2017 22:00

< Clinks a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster with LH & penguin >

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2017 22:16

If the UK Brexits without a trade deal,
then it would have no trade deals with anyone (except possibly Canada)

Under WTO rules, it cannot abolish customs controls just for E27 imports
However, an option that has been suggested is to abolish them for all countries at its ports, to try to avoid SE England motorways becoming a vast lorry park.

This is really an emergency solution, to keep essential imports flowing, such as food, raw materials & comonents for industry.
However, those imports could hammer UK producers and also might result in dangerous goods from countries with much lower standards - remember all the deaths in China from adulterated baby formula - or just plain illegal items like class A drugs.

Also, other countries would be unlikely to reciprocate and allow in exports from the UK the same way

The EU cannot do so just for UK imports, because all the countries and blocs with whom it has FTAs, MRAs (Mutual Recognition Agreements) etc would protest to the WTO and sue.
Obviously, the EU is not going to freely let in all the world's imports, which would be a legal - but mad - option.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2017 22:28

DD claimed the transition arrangement he is discussing is not because the UK needs time to build customs infrastructure and systems, but to give time for the EU countries - France & the Netherlands being the most important for us.

BUT
There is no sign so far that the E27 have any intention of building this, or even if it is worth it for them - they may demand that the UK foots some of the bill Hmm or at the least, stick on massive customs fees to cover the cost over a few years

BECAUSE
The hundreds of million, more likely billions of Euros it would cost are worth it for the UK - about 45% of UK exports go to the E27
whereas
Only about 8% of the E27 exports are to the Uk.
It's not exactly split among 27 countries - RoI, Germany, France, Netherlands have the greatest interest.

Onviously RoI is a special case, but they won't be contributing to any continental infrastructure.

Valentine2 · 13/07/2017 22:32

olenna
I understand that. But that was my point precisely. If, as a leader, she can't sit around with her team to see the result of what her decisions led that team to, what's the point in leading then?
May be I am being thick but I can't get my hear around this somehow.

Lazybastet · 13/07/2017 22:35

Seriously - how can the govt keep plunging ahead with Brexit. At what point will they admit that it is simply impossible.

Damn Cameron, damn May and damn Murdoch and the ilk that got us here.

HesterThrale · 13/07/2017 22:46

An interesting article which suggests the kind of possible events and demographic changes which could reverse Brexit. (2nd half):

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/17467814

HesterThrale · 13/07/2017 22:47

An interesting article which suggests the kind of possible events and demographic changes which could reverse Brexit. (2nd half):

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/17467814

HashiAsLarry · 13/07/2017 22:49

frump thanks for wishes on dh. He's in bad shape at the moment, just as we thought he was about to come home. Sad

red hope you're feeling better

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2017 23:02

The Telegraph is as delusional as ever, but Fox is in particularly moronic form here:

"Brexit will cement our status as a great trading nation" Hmm

< I'm thinking "cement overshoes", reportedly how the mafia sink bodies in deep water >

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2017 23:05

Hashi Best wishes to your DH Flowers

Valentine2 · 13/07/2017 23:08

Hashi hope your husband is better soon.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/07/2017 23:09

Enjoy North's very sweet Unicorns pic
Presumably shows what DD is working on

Westministenders: Transition
WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 13/07/2017 23:09

Thanks for the link hester this is my favourite line from it.

The fabulous claim is being made by BeLeaver politicians that “80% of the electorate voted for a pro-Brexit party”. Nonsense. They voted to deny Theresa May a mandate to pursue her version of Brexit

Flowers for Mr Hashi. Hope he's home soon

mathanxiety · 14/07/2017 05:27

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-pengelly-defends-free-society-remarks-over-bonfire-election-posters-35926462.html

It's not really quiet on the DUP front.

The Twelfth of July has come and gone, with Orange Order displays of 'culture' bigger than ever, featuring the same burning of Irish flags and stolen SDLP and SF posters as usual, plus this year a coffin with an effigy of Martin McGuinness attached on one bonfire.

The bonfires are usually enormous but were bigger this year than ever before.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/police-urged-to-act-over-martin-mcguinness-effigy-and-racist-banner-on-bonfires-35921209.html
Sinn Fein's Westminster candidate in North Belfast, John Finucane, contacted police after learning that some of his campaign posters had been attached to a bonfire.

The solicitor son of murdered lawyer Pat Finucane tweeted a picture of the bonfire and said: "I have reported this hate crime & theft to PSNI to allow them to act urgently."

SDLP leader Colum Eastwood said: "Burning images of politicians, the Irish national flag & tyres. What a warped interpretation of Ulster Protestant/unionist culture."

Yesterday, DUP leader Mrs Foster urged bonfire builders to show respect to others.

"Bonfires on the Eleventh Night have long been part of the unionist culture," she said.

"Those who have waged a campaign of demonisation against such celebrations should dial down the rhetoric.

"To those who build bonfires, I urge them to not play into the hands of those who want to demonise the culture. They should be respectful of their neighbours," she said.

"Endangering property and lives should not be a concern for residents on the Eleventh Night. These should be events that all the family can enjoy. We will work constructively with communities to achieve this."

Mrs Foster said she wanted Northern Ireland to move forward to a place where Orange culture was supported and respected by all.

"I do not want any culture to threaten or dominate any other," she said.

"A shared society in Northern Ireland must have room for all but without elevating or promoting one section of society above another.

"Despite the image sometimes portrayed, it is not politics that dominates the Twelfth July, however. It is the families who come together, as they have done for generations. It is the acquaintances that are refreshed in the field or on the street."

Mrs Foster said that the "celebration of civil and religious liberty" was central to the Twelfth.

"Hopefully we can all help build a Northern Ireland where there is respect, tolerance and support for all our cultures and traditions, celebrated equally with one another," she added...

...A PSNI spokeswoman said: "We take hate crime very seriously and actively investigate all incidents reported to us."

Arlene Foster does her damndest but there are some circles that will never be squared.

To the Orange Order, the phrase "celebration of civil and religious liberty" only means the victory of protestantism over Catholicism.
Take away the sectarian element and the Twelfth is nothing.

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