Westministenders: Transition

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Last thread opener, it was all about the government buzz word being shown to listen at every opportunity.

Now transition is creeping in as people realise that no we can't just do a settlement, arrange a new trade deal with the EU and have a whole host of other deals in place in two years.

Who'd have thought.

We will be getting Brexit because we give in to threats of terrorism. Not quite getting how that takes back control.

But Brexit will be good. It will be glorious. And in the long term we will be better off for it.

Er ok.

I haven't listened to the interview but the news reports

I actually think the reporting is rather mischievous. She was prompted by the interviewer who asked if she cried. It annoys me, because I doubt a male PM would be asked if they'd cried. Sexist bollocks! I think her comment on what to tell her 11yo self & one of her responses was "Tackle injustice when you see it" was more problematic & shows a glaring lack of self-awareness after her Home Secretary decisions. 😡

I actually think the reporting is rather mischievous.

I agree, but

She was prompted by the interviewer who asked if she cried. It annoys me, because I doubt a male PM would be asked if they'd cried. Sexist bollocks!

while I also agree with this - to a certain extent - my view is that it was a question designed to make the viewer feel sorry for her. In other words it was tailored to an agenda, which is emphatically not, NOT and not what a responsible broadcaster should be doing.

Luckily - like the "ads which have the opposite effect" thread running elsewhere, I think most people saw it for the ploy it was.

Yes, but it was obvious at her count that she had been blubbing shed a little tear so the journalist was merely asking her to confirm what we all thought we knew. Hear, hear to Gump - to lose an election with such an overwhelming advantage at the outset should have made her wonder if there was something wrong with her approach. She said that she hadn't considered resigning for a moment which shows a complete disconnect with the reality of the outcome and her position.

The Five Eyes are the UK, the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia, and it's an intelligence sharing set up dating back to the end of WW2. It has bugger all to do with trade deals...

LH

Yes it was most probably designed. And it further highlights how terribly incompetent this lot is. Imagine trying to soften her image by publicising she cried!
Then they say left has a problem with sexism.

Peter Walker
Peter Walker @peterwalker99
No10 doesn't seem to have plan for Repeal Bill if Scots/Welsh refuse legislative consent: "That's very pessimistic. We're optimistic."

The Scottish and Welsh Governments issue a joint statement in which they refuse to support the not great Repeal Bill, saying that it is a naked power grab which, contrary to the advance statements, attacks the founding principles of the devolution settlements and imposes new restrictions on the Scottish and Welsh governments.

https://news.gov.scot/news/eu-withdrawal-bill

Optimism == Contingency plans

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/13/great-repeal-bill-human-rights-clause-sets-up-brexit-clash-with-labour

The government has set itself on a collision course with opposition parties by insisting that it will not bring the EU charter of fundamental rights into domestic law on Brexit day.

The EU (withdrawal) bill – published on Thursday and known as the “great repeal bill” which will formally enact Brexit – includes a clause that says: “The charter of fundamental rights is not part of domestic law on or after exit day.”

The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, has made the incorporation of the charter – which interprets EU human rights – one of the six tests he will apply when Labour decides whether to vote for the bill when it returns to parliament in the autumn. The Liberal Democrats have also made it a key demand.

See Art 50 case. I think Peter Walker is misguided in assuming a plan is required. "Cannot recommend" is different from ability to "refuse".

Interesting debate to be had on whether charter of fundamental rights is a diminution or expansion of ECHR and whether it serves any purpose outside EU membership.

Viscount St Davids jailed for 12 weeks for offering money to run over Gina Miller

12 weeks?
That's risible

Yeah, and not even under incitement to violence or murder, or inciting racial hatred, all of which would seem to me to be appropriate.

And £500 in compensation.

Yes, I thought it was lenient... but perhaps the judge will send him to a very Remain-y jail where the other inmates will make his life hell.

I feel like a fool
I feel like the country I thought I knew is a figment of my imagination
Maybe people like him have always been spewing their vile filth and i just didn't notice?
I feel like I've been blind to so much:(

Take a trip to rural England, martell. Views like his were far from unique where I grew up

Laura Kuenssberg tweets

Just talked to David Davis - he suggests possibility of associate membership of Euratom + 'arbitration mechanisms' to get round ECJ prob

Davis also says half of his job is running the contingency planning operation if Brexit goes wrong

Just to point out that at present a huge huge huge amount of hmrc IT resources are being chucked at sorting out the problems in the Hmrc tax computation for 2016/17. I was at a conference recently where a representative said it was pretty much taking up their IT resource in its entirety.

The computation generated by hmrc is incorrect in a lot of cases where taxpayers have investment income. They are still finding situations in which an incorrect calculation is generated.

On top of this, there's still MTD, the most radical change to taxation reporting and compliance since self assessment came in. It was lost in the wash up but we have all been told it was still coming in. Earliest staging date is April next year. Hmrc are not ready. The software providers aren't ready and have said they will not be ready. The general public have barely heard of MTD, which will see a vat registered business making nine returns a year and non vat registered businesses and landlords making five compared to one return previously.

There is absolutely no chance of overhauling the customs system - which has only recently undergone a significant overhaul - in time for brexit.

There is also little chance that businesses importing from the EU will be able to get their systems online for March 2019. This is without factoring the cost of compliance, delays clearing customs, cash flow etc.

It is simply impossible to not have free trade as early as March 2019.

So what the fuck are they going to do?

So what the fuck are they going to do?

(Channels BoJo)

Whistle ?

You're quite right Howabout - the Scottish and Welsh joint statement doesn't actually say "refuse" - it does just say "cannot recommend". It will be up to the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly to decide whether or not to cooperate as we still for the moment live in a democracy. But given the respective make-ups of the two institutions, it is highly unlikely that the vote won't be in favour of the position they set out in the statement.

Although I note that Laura Kuensburg used the word "refuse" in her report on the 6pm BBC News.

Davis also says half of his job is running the contingency planning operation if Brexit goes wrong

He should probably be dedicating about 100% now given how little 50% of him time has produced

12 weeks doesn't seem a lot for fishing for a hitman. He was offering ten times more money for a 'hit'.

In the guardian article, he had also offered money to someone "to carve" a person up.

This guy is sinister and, it would seems to me, possibly more of a danger than 12 weeks signifies.

"He should probably be dedicating about 100% now given how little 50% of him time has produced"

I think double nothing is still nothing.

I think he should have been fined at least as much as he offered for the hit - the extra as "punishment" given that in his twisted mind, he could afford £5,000