Westministenders: Transition

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Last thread opener, it was all about the government buzz word being shown to listen at every opportunity.

Now transition is creeping in as people realise that no we can't just do a settlement, arrange a new trade deal with the EU and have a whole host of other deals in place in two years.

Who'd have thought.

We will be getting Brexit because we give in to threats of terrorism. Not quite getting how that takes back control.

But Brexit will be good. It will be glorious. And in the long term we will be better off for it.

Er ok.

Oh my...! I just had a vision of Galsworthy hanging out with Tradeau and Macron being all clever, capable and handsome. I think I need to go have a little lie down.

LOLed at this (genuinely). I get the impression he has a little bit of an ego ;) so maybe someone should send him a link to this page. Bigly could be the start of something big.

Unfortunately the UK FPTP system makes things much harder for outsiders. The French system is much more outsider-friendly especially where there are multiple candidates, and a strong "anyone but" vote.

Of course, all we need is a handsome leader.

We deserve everything we get.

Because we as a nation prefer tax cuts and "sovereignty" to a decent society, we are now facing food shortages in the very near future.

'Preferred' possibly, but polls are increasingly showing people are actually willing to pay more tax and are turning pro-remain (or at least anti a hard Brexit, whatever that may mean). I really think we need to get past this idea that the British are intrinsically against paying more tax. The underfunding of public sector in favour of lower personal and corporate taxes is an ideological campaign on the part of the Tory Government. We should not be providing them cover by perpetuating the myth that this is what the public actually wants.

Of course, all we need is a handsome leader.

We deserve everything we get.

Cripes, we are allowed some small amusement on a Sunday lunchtime surely. Besides Galsworthy is pretty damn smart as well as handsome. Certainly smarter that most of the MPs we have on offer right now.

Oh yes to Mike Galsworthy. swoons. always a sucker for a clever, good looking man

The underfunding of public sector in favour of lower personal and corporate taxes is an ideological campaign on the part of the Tory Government. We should not be providing them cover by perpetuating the myth that this is what the public actually wants.

Yes, yes, yes bigly

Galsworthy doesn't tick any boxes for me I'm afraid to say.

Bigchoc I am not saying the Germans are incorrect in their assumption that the UK is winging it but rather that winging it is pretty much the UK modus operandi and pretty much anathema to German thinking. No wonder there is a degree of exasperation. The Irish way is to provide a listening ear to all sides while talking a load of Blarney.

Nothing like a bit of casual racism on a Sunday.

Merely responding in kind to the assumptions in the article posted Hashi.

Last time I checked stereotyping by regional upbringing was a very different thing from racism but I think we have covered that ground several times already.

Casual racism:

Casual racism is one form of racism. It refers to conduct involving negative stereotypes or prejudices about people on the basis of race, colour or ethnicity.

Don't think Howabout was being racist. We've talked before on here about the vast and growing disparity between German and UK productivity. Maybe it's the UK lack of planning propensity to "wing" it is a majority contributory factor.

As the old business cliche goes, "Failing to plan is planning to fail"

But there again, which of our political leaders actually has any real business experience lawyers don't count ?

I'd have agreed to a certain point
Pretty until the Irish and talking a load of blarney was mentioned.

We had a handsome dashing leader with Tony Blair, and he took us into a pretty disastrous war in Iraq (as well as laying the foundations for all kinds of crap that are troubling us now, like PPI in the NHS, university tuition fees, academies). We had an arguably handsome dashing leader with David Cameron, and he took us into a disastrous referendum

And in what way are Irish, English,Scottish, Welsh or indeed German of a different race, colour or ethnicity?

It is too simplistic to resort to such easy stereotypes. Yes the German approach to business is more methodical and process driven but British business consultancy is a market leader globally for a reason. There is a subtle distinction between winging it and the effective application of intellectual frameworks, creativity and imagination to business planning, something some British businesses can match, if not lead the world in. Global businesses be they German Swiss or Asian in my experience are using strategic planning and other management processes that largely originate in the U.K. and the US.

The problem is that too often the basic business skills do not penetrate the SME sector because there is a cultural ignorance and disdain for trade /sales /marketing that afflicts our politicians (and many professionals) too. One of the differences between China's growth versus the U.K. Is that entrepreneurial skills are woven into their culture. All Deng Xiao Peng had to do was to take the lid of the pressure cooker and let a highly motivated and skilled SME sector exploit the markets that opened up.

Differences in productivity as we have discussed before also have roots in the failure as a society to invest in people and infrastructure

Goodness me. I don't think anyone was suggesting the only qualifications needed were good looks. I believe being capable and intelligent were also mentioned several times

The Irish are a different ethnicity to the British

My complaint argument about British lack of productivity and its causes wasn't aimed at British business but more at the British politicians because, as you say Ron, the failure has its roots in our unwillingness to invest in infrastructure and training.

Even our stock market would prefer that companies paid dividends (ie short term benefits) rather than invest in R&D (looking to the future).

"If one could only teach the English how to talk, and the Irish how to listen, society here would be quite civilized". Oscar Wilde

That is an interesting pov Hashi but not one I share with or without the SNP's notions of civic Nationalism.

Ah, the great British democracy in action

A small group of aristocrats will this week award another aristocrat the right to sit in the UK’s upper house and participate in crucial Brexit debates.
www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/this-man-is-trying-to-win-back-his-hereditary-seat-in-the?utm_term=.rhpGGwpDPb#.fpMDDYPBvg

There is a subtle distinction between winging it and the effective application of intellectual frameworks, creativity and imagination to business planning, something some British businesses can match, if not lead the world in.

Exactly the point I was trying to make on differing perceptions re the UK approach to Brexit ron

how are you saying you don't recognise the Irish their own ethnic group?

Oh FFS...

Key Corbyn ally steals Boris Johnson's infamous 'have cake and eat it' line on Brexit
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-have-cake-and-eat-it-single-market-rebecca-long-bailey-a7843941.html?amp

The Irish Times on "Irish DNA".

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland-s-provisional-dna-1.64967

imho we're all Jock Tamson's bairns.