Leavers - are you happy with the way Brexit is going?

[NameChangerGalore]

Do you think it is being well organised and managed and do you think you will get will the outcome you were hoping for when you voted to leave. I only know three leavers; one thinks it is going ok, one thinks it is a complete load of bollocks and that she was lied to and I don't know what the third thinks as he is a racist tosser and I try and avoid him......

The silence is deafening

Too early tell, I guess. It's pleasing that democracy is being respected.

Loads of responses here then.

It has barely begun. I have no complaints so far. Just let them get on with the job.

Loads of responses here then.

Yep. They have as many answers as Theresa May and David Davis.

I have some shocking news for Remainers, Leavers are under no obligation to answer their endless questions about Brexit. We've had a year of it on this Board and tried initially to answer your questions but no matter what we said, it was met with derision and scorn and name calling so quite frankly we simply don't give a fuck any more.

As the many remoaners say, when the world didn't crash in after the vote to leave, we haven't left yet

I agree with RortyCrankle, as what is there to say as just starting?

Clearly the government will want to keep as many of the benefits of EU membership as we had, yet free to control our borders, and strike deals of our own with the rest of the world.

But there is a small army of Brussels bureaucrats and 27 other countries that will have more than their say - so any opposition MP not understanding that fundamental negotiating issue, is both being disingenuous to 'the people', and helpful to EU negotiators by spreading their dissent - rather than getting behind the government and taxpayers paying their annual £70k plus salary and final salary pension, who WANT the government to get on with it.

Imagine if the UK led with one other party's manifesto position; to totally leave the Single Market, but keep everything for the UK as it is (I assume controlling our own borders, as not too clear) - so in effect the UK leaves with a huge benefit that numerous Brussels big nobs and member country government officials have said MUST NOT happen .

So all that 'cunning' UK negotiating position will get from EU negotiators (and that same opposition party) who previously accused the government of 'cherry picking', is a huge belly laugh and an instruction to go forth and multiply.

It's all going a bit Pete Tong, eh?

It wasn't a "should we/shouldn't we Brexit" question, we have voted and we are leaving - it was more a question of how the practicalities have/have not changed after the election and now the very obvious divisions within the cabinet.

NameChangerGalore

I would say the “divisions” are in the other main opposition party, where like several key policies Labour offered ‘fudge’ rather than hammered out policies between the Corbynisters and the rest of the Parliamentary Labour Party – was 50 MPs rebelling against Corbyn’s leadership and his toasting of 3-4 shadow bench MPs differences or divisions????

Labour wanted to appeal to the London etc Remain vote, and the northern Leave vote, so came up with this ridiculous leave the Single Market, keep the benefits the same, with some woolly view on EU Freedom of Movement – to keep everyone confused but happy, what leadership.

How did that just work out within the Labour Parliamentary Party?

Didn’t the trade unions recently say they want to stay in the Single Market, and is this why those Labour MPs are revolting – pretending a ‘soft’ Brexit is still possible, when the EU has said it isn’t?

My point is that as negotiations and a deal has to get past parliament, what with Labour’s Brexit split, the firm remain IN Lib Dems and SNP (plus the remainers in the Tory party) , May was clearly right to try and get a decent majority via a snap general election - and that clearly went “Pete Tong”

The EU wants to drag this out as long as possible to try and get as many tax paying UK businesses over there as possible, so if as Juncker stated they will (away from direct negotiations) only look at Brexit in Brussels for a minimal time each month – that plays into their hands, and so any government view to prolong negotiations to HELP businesses to adapt IMO is dumb.

But as least the Tories have worked out, if not for the want of listening to the EU, we cannot stay in the Single Market and also both control our borders and tell the ECJ to poke their laws where the sun don’t shine – so spending god knows how many months for that to sink in, would be a split Labour (in coalition with the SNP and Lib Dems) governments negotiating problems, not a Tory one.

So far it's difficult to tell. But I am pleased with Gove being agri. minister. He has a reasonable knowledge of the fishing industry and as an Aberdonian will do his best for them. His assertion that wealthy farmers that rake in Millions from the EU in subsidies will come to an end is great news. For too long it's been a one size fits all policy from the EU which does not take into account our quite different farming terrain and methods. I am hopeful that he has the rural economy at heart and will give subsidies to parts of farming that genuinely need it and use subsidies to encourage diversity and environmentally sound practices.

Despite your intended goady thread OP, Yep, Im happy.

628 days to go. The clocks ticking and Im very happy at Branson hiding in the BVI, very happy that Corbyn is destroying the 'centrist' labour party and re-invigorating a trades unionist britain. Very happy that the Tories either have to sh*t or get off the pot. All of which leads to an utterly ineffective 'opposition'. What 'remain' camp? Even (a double whammy bonus for brexiteers) the awful, shallow, self interested Gina Miller has disappeared. Whoopee!

Im very very happy ....the clocks ticking, and as each month goes by, theres less and less the foot stamping hanky sobbing delusionists can do about it.

A50 cannot be reversed, despite anything the pro-eu shills rant about. To allow A50 'withdrawal' would mean no state has the mechanism to leave the EU. (What, we're leaving, we think, well until we get a new government that says we're staying instead, but we may not be staying, as the next new government says we may leave.....so just ignore A50.....)

Thank you Gina Miller for the act of parliament. Ah serendipity. 628 days to go

PS OP, if thats the best 'poll' you can do out of your 3 friends, youre utterly deluded. Suggest when parliamemt breaks for summer recess, you watch the EU migrant crisis, and dont underestimate the support for a 'no-deal' brexit.

If YOU want to be heard, if you want to be represented and facilitate some level of negotiation for your own position, then Id respectfully suggest you stop posting threads like this. Brexiters dont need anything and theyre not your enemy. Its the chaotic u-turning 'remainers' who are stitching you up. Like Corbyn.

caroline it's all very well you being happy and counting down the days but it sounds like you only want to leave to be able to say you won.

What do we actually have to look forward to?

How do you see our economy faring once tariffs are placed on all our imports and exports?

How can our infrastructure cope with the customs checks that will be required?

We are a lot further on than 'we won you lost' yet that's all you seem to be saying.

Good grief Bear, Im merely responding to a very goady OP. Read it again. I answered.

Its absolutely nothing to do with winning or losing, I replied exactly with what the OP requested. Take up the winning/losing argument with her/him, who believes 1/3rd of leavers are happy, 1/3rd are suffering with leavers remorse and 1/3rd are racist bastards who arent worth listening to. Nothing that weve not had to listen too endlessly, for the last year, and is an utter fallacy.

Your other points are a tad derailing, (though our economy will be absolutely fine, and concern about 'customs infrastructure' is laughable for 3 reasons, a/ it works simply fine for 60% of our trade b/ you utterly disregard the income raised from new tariff/import charges applying to the very goods customs will be required for c/ oh I wish more remainers had expressed any, just some even, concern for our nations infrastructure under unlimited migration. (And no, the newly created doss houses are not an answer) England has carried the brunt of this. Scotland and Wales have hardly been impacted at all the last 20 years. See attached chart.

Am I happy? Yes. We're still leaving. What outcome do I want? To leave the EU. Does the current political chaos concern me. No. Ill add more (for clarity). Is my view a 'minority' leaver view? No. Did I, or any other leave voter that I know, vote leave but wanted to keep 'bits'? No.

Fearmongering is not some negotiable EU commodity. Though many posters on here (and indeed some in the EU) seem to believe it is

Let see. we got out fishing grounds back . that's good.
We stop paying Billions to EU . that's good.
We have offers of Trade deals, that's good.
We stop the EU Courts, and can make laws for UK. that;s good
Sturgeon is no longer trying to split the UK . that's good.

Europe is not closed to Visit. it's just harder, but you can work there, you just need the right paper work. is that so bad?
We won't have any trade with EU. that's bad. are you sure about this?
The Banking goes back to EU. that;s bad are you sure about this?

Let see. we got out fishing grounds back . that's good.

who are you going to sell it to if not the largest trading block in the world?

We stop paying Billions to EU . that's good.

who will replace EU funding for UK development - the austerity mad Tories?

We have offers of Trade deals, that's good.

We do? Like India, who wanted visas restrictions relaxed.

We stop the EU Courts, and can make laws for UK. that;s good

Already could.

Sturgeon is no longer trying to split the UK . that's good.

until Brexit hits the skids and independence is back on the table. How about NI?

Europe is not closed to Visit. it's just harder, but you can work there, you just need the right paper work. is that so bad?

Tell that to the millions of Brits easily waved through Spanish customs at present. Tell the Daily Mail travel to mainland europe will require form filling. They hate bureaucracy.

We won't have any trade with EU. that's bad. are you sure about this?
The Banking goes back to EU. that;s bad are you sure about this?

Trade on worse terms. Enjoy the price increases.

The question wasn't 'What do you think are the benefits of leaving the EU? The first part of the question was 'Do you think it's been well organised and managed?' Apart from one person being happy with Gove's appointment, because he ought to know about fisheries, no one has said 'Yes.... X, Y, Z have already been agreed with the EU'.

The second part was 'Will you get what you wanted?' Which is impossible to answer, because almost everyone wanted something different. If you wanted more money for the NHS, so far the answer is No.

The second part was 'Will you get what you wanted?' Which is impossible to answer, because almost everyone wanted something different. If you wanted more money for the NHS, so far the answer is No.

(puts hand up)

I wanted a colossal fuck up which diverted precious resources away from the poorest in UK society, so that the Tories could play at "being tough" and dividing the country in a way that will take generations to recover from. I also wanted to see valuable trained medical staff leave the NHS, thus accelerating the process to privatise it as "it's not working".

So I am like a pig in much . Hurrah for Brexit !

Interesting isn't it? Prior to the referendum we heard alot about the left behinds and the deprived areas of the UK. All blamed on the EU and the London "elites". I'm wondering how higher food prices and lower living standards since June last year have benefited the left behinds?

Lurking Thank you for making me laugh, even if slightly hollowly and with a hint of hysteria.
Hurrah indeed - trebles all round!

Bearbehind

What do we have to look forward to remaining in a Eurozone where unemployment is so much higher than ours a decade after the crash, and over 50% of the Eurozone youth are on Temp Contracts due to overly tight labour laws – the European Central Bank has wanted the likes of Italy and France to change for years – but no politician appears to be able to get it done e.g. as even President Macron is now trying to get ‘around’ the 35-hour week on behalf of companies, rather than scrap it.

An EU where we have been doing less trade with it, and the EUs share of global trade is falling, as even Mr Juncker admits;
”Europe's glory days at an end, warns Juncker”

Where would the UK remaining in the EU be outside the Eurozone we never wanted to enter, as the Federalists tighten their grip, aided by France’s President Macron who has a firm commitment to a two tier Europe, even 2-tier MEPs?

And if only a Hard Brexit the EU is offering us exists, it would cost EU £8bn more it tariffs than Britain every year.

No threat to the EU, but a reality that it is in their mutual interest to do fair deal with the UK that don’t make life difficult for THEIR businesses the member leaders have to worry about, obviously not the unelected by the people Brussels bureaucrats.

GhostofFrankGrimes

Taking up a few of your points;

Re your “who will replace EU funding for UK development - the austerity mad Tories?”

The short answer is yes as already said so (below), alternatively under a Labour government, based on their last 13-years in power and recent manifesto, our net EU 10-13 bil annual contribution would go on a fatter UK State, with a 1 million more ‘decent’ paid government workers, and nationalising services we already have.
“Britain will cover cost of billions in EU subsidies for farming, science and deprived areas after Brexit, Chancellor announces”

Not “austerity mad”, Tories at all, but like the only honest Labour MP (Chancellor Darling) admitted in 2010, under Labour from a balanced budget in 2001, debt and national budget overspend of his projected £167 bil a year and rising uncontrollably had to be addressed, with tax rises under them to be announced after the 2010 general election - once again, trying to tax their way to UK growth/prosperity..

”Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher”

Re your “We do? Like India, who wanted visas restrictions relaxed”

Whats wrong with India within the 2.3 billion citizens of the Commonwealth we can soon do own own trade and other deals with, when not obliged to have ‘Freedom of Movement’ as a pre-condition, but can work something else out as Cameron tried with Juncker, but told 'sorry, not in the EU rules' no matter how much pressure it put on UK housing and services.

No threat to the EU, but a reality that it is in their mutual interest to do fair deal with the UK that don’t make life difficult for THEIR businesses the member leaders have to worry about, obviously not the unelected by the people Brussels bureaucrats.

I'll never cease to be astounded by the sheer arrogance of Leavers who are still repeating the mantra 'they need us more than we need them'

They really don't.

Yes I'm sure EU business leaders would prefer unrestricted trade but that will not be allowed to happen without the 4 freedoms.

The EU cannot and will not divide those freedoms; they are more important to to future of the worlds biggest trading block than appeasing the UK is.