Westminstenders: The Brexit Apprentice

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Theresa May is increasing looking like she is running an episode of the Apprentice with two teams trying to compete in their plan for Brexit. Complete with the obligatory reprehensible contestants.

On one side we have Team Creationists intent on hard Brexit and on the other we have Team Sensibles desperate to get a softer deal.
May herself has been held hostage by seasoned expert negotiators the DUP. Once No 10 has reported the deal was done, only for the DUP to say it wasn’t. Then it said, it would be settled today. But the DUP disagreed and said ‘the weekend’. Now its 'next week'.

Meanwhile the Queen has been messed about with a scapegoat over when her Queen’s Speech will be. It’s likely to be a week on Monday.
Meanwhile the Brexit department is also in chaos.

The Number two in the department was sacked and replaced by a Remainer, and the number three quit amongst reports that he no longer thought Brexit was achievable and that there was no way that the Great Repeal Act could pass through the Lords. He has been replaced by the Head of the infamous Arch-Brexit Whatsapp group.

Oh and Gove got hired. Nuff said on that one.

After some slight back tracking from David Davis, Hard Brexit is still on in all its glory. Negotiations are going ahead next week. Well that’s what we are saying. The EU, on the other hand, don’t won’t to go ahead until we have an officially sworn in government. Which seems pretty fair enough.

Tune in to find out which Team wins this week’ The Brexit Apprentice

That is corporate manslaughter

Let's make sure that the right people are held to account, not just some junior Admin Assistant in the Council offices or the the Building Firms involved. We need to see the senior management held to account, plus those in the Tory party who have been sitting on the report for 4 years. Plus BoJo for cutting back on the Fire service and then telling someone to 'Get Stuffed' when he protested.

It's inevitable that more than 100 will have been killed - it happened at night when many would have been at home in their beds, and with 120 flats there must have been around 500 people living there.

What is the march on 1st July about?

Great huest 're social housing from LEE on 5live earlier

Made a great point tfstvthid isn't about tower blocks per se. Some if the mostceciendive property in Lonfon is in high rise eg the Shard. It's about social housing. Housing the poor and vuneranble.

WTF were disabled old and young families on the 21st plus floors of shoddy housing with barely functioning lifts. Why have we accepted this treatment of others as acceptable?

There was never a reason to mention foreigners in the first place then if they aren't the problem. Or repeat something somewhat diluted later. Unskilled labour and communication issues would have been enough. But that would come under safety standards alone. Which brexit wants to tear up.

In January 2016 the Tories voted down a Labour Party amendment to the Housing Bill that would have required landlords to ensure that the properties they rent out are "fit for human habitation".

WHY would anyone vote against making homes fit for habitation ?
Even for those smelly plebs too poor to buy ?

Obviously the same party and MPs who vote against sprinkler systems that would save lives
Tories: Putting profit before lives

I haven't been this angry against the Tories since the Herald sank
The bastards keep doing this, whenever a generation has passed so we forget

It's an anti austerity march. It's about time I stood up to be counted for those who can't stand up for themselves and walk with those who can

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/events

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Sadiq Khan doing what Theresa May should have done, taking questions (some very angry) from Grenfell residents.

Luxury tower blocks have all the latest safety systems as standard, plus upgrades

It's only social housing that's so unsafe, because the people who live there are regarded as surplus to requirements, much less important than cost-cutting.

any non-Fail links to the bottle incident?

Nope, none. I was told by a friend that that is what was said to have happened, she walked down to the Methodist church from Blenheim Crescent. But she didn't see it herself. Just a lot of police and angry people.

I'm certainly not going to vouch for the Mail!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/mps-demand-help-for-terrified-high-rise-residents-after-london-fire

David Lammy, another London Labour MP, reiterated his call for a criminal investigation into possible corporate manslaughter charges, and spoke movingly of Khadija Saye, a friend who is still missing after the blaze.

“My friend, who is missing and likely dead on the 20th floor, was on Facebook communicating that she was about to faint at 3.30am,” h

“If the fire began at 1am, why is she communicating at 3.30am with no help at all?
There must be a full investigation and people must be held to account.”

^WHY would anyone vote against making homes fit for habitation ?
Even for those smelly plebs too poor to buy

Because 70 odd of them were landlord themselves.

any non-Fail links to the bottle incident?
Jack Monroe's twitter has mentioned things being thrown at Sadiq, from actually being there it seems.

Protestors kicked off outside the church, objects thrown at Sadiq. Police backup here. Some people are angry, most are quietly helping.
The scale of help here has been phenomenal. Three stories of rooms of donated clothes, volunteers, nurses, residents, even children helping.

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I completely understand why people are angry. I'm not criticising them at all. I'm angry.

Feeling for Khan. He has worked his arse off being there for London with terrorist attacks and now this horrible fire at Grenfell

He is popular. But the people are angry. And who can blame them.

Reality Check: Why don't all high-rises have sprinklers?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40293035

Chief of Fire Officers Association said (in 2015) that no one dies in a building with proper functioning sprinklers.

If you read the article it mentions a hotel in Dubai, I think which possibly had similar cladding type things on the outside. Obviously different situation and different cause of fire, but they had functioning sprinklers and no one died. 15 injured I think, but enough so that now people who cut corners when building are fined (I think it was an electrical/wiring fault that caused the fire).

You say that luxury tower block has all the latest safety systems as standard, but the speed of the blaze means that people might still be at risk.

In terms of luxury, that's a relative term. There are plenty of people who may have purchased a city apartment in the last few years which has cladding. These are 'ordinary' flat in the normal range of home ownership prices.

They too are at the mercy of Management Companies who try and cut corners and are not well protected by current legislation and regulation.

On top of this, if cladding is found to be a contributing factor I suspect they will be hit with huge unexpected bills to make their homes safe.

The Manchester Evening News has been running a story on the implications for private owners today. Some will have very similar problems as social housing tenants.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/apartment-blocks-manchester-need-much-13192566
Apartment blocks in Manchester need much stricter safety regulations following London fire, MP warns

Lucy Powell says she deals with a mountain of casework from residents with safety concerns about the way their blocks are managed - and believes legislation is far too weak

Thats why there could be riots....when it's difficult to direct your anger..when no one has listened...when people have died

There's already comparison to Mark Duggan and the authorties lying to the public on SM. This could spark very quickly. Especially when the full toll is announced...Those poor poor people. To be fair if I was them I hope I could find a peaceful way...but I really don't know do I?

This is when strong leadership is needed. Khan can not do this by himself

Hundreds of the roughly 500 residents in the block remain unaccounted for including whole families. Seventeen people remain critically ill in hospital

And meanwhile the few survivors are homeless and the council and authorities appear to have almost no co ordination for their care, even a place to sleep tonight.

The donations have all the more pathos, because there are not the survivors to use them.

Poor Khan. There should be an emergency co ordination team fielding and organising a response. Khan and the Dent have been on the case the whole way through, taking the flak for the tory council.

It is comparable to 9/11 I think, and even with the US's public services, they managed to put together a co ordinated response.

There's already comparison to Mark Duggan and the authorties lying to the public on SM. This could spark very quickly

Yep that's exactly why I suggested it, there's the same feeling.

It's fucking disgusting...so when they plan it's just their terrorist policy and not how to deal with actual disasters then?

Or people. Have they cut back that much there us no one to actually implement the plans? I think they havr

Ages ago LH referred to the British housing market as a giant ponzi scheme, and this seems to be the human result.

I don't know what the July 1st march is Peregrina but this is the one this Saturday. www.facebook.com/events/290268031384019/

Death toll over 100, I can well believe it. And of course the difficulty of identifying people. Tl

There really aren't words..

As PP have said I can't blame people for being angry. I feel angry and I'm not directly affected.

Social media has brought home the poignant last moments of people in many mass tragedies.
people trapped & dying send pleas for help and dreadfully sad last messages to family & friends

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/the-fire-is-here-im-dying-panicked-messages-of-grenfell-tower-residents

and the living searching for news of their loved ones:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/14/missing-victims-grenfell-tower-fire

On Kensington's disaster plans there was an interview with a relative on Guardian Live earlier who had finally managed to track down two children he was looking for at St Mary's. He said that there was no process in place to identify those in hospital and link them to relatives searching for the missing. He had provided full descriptions but only managed to find the children because a kind nurse broke protocol and let him look. He made the comment that the processes in place were meant for a terrorist incident not a civil disaster on this scale which made me wonder what on earth they actually were that would make no attempt at linking up relatives with those in hospital? All about the investigation of a terrorist incident?

When I worked in the public sector we were involved in all manner of disaster planning scenarios, including getting nuked ( highly unlikely as this was post glasnost) and having massive civilian casualties......

These are visible deaths due to austerity.

There are lots of invisible ones.

What about the coming hospital scandals? Some have been flagged up. There will be more.

This is going to get bigger.