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Westministenders: The Zombie PM

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 22:19

Back from the dead, May carries on whilst the vultures circle.

She had tried to out smart her rivals by running of to the palace to tell the queen she could form a government before they could act.

Definitely she stood and pretended nothing had changed. Except everything had. The wrath of her party was unleashed and there was open revolt. She has been summoned to appear before men in grey suits tomorrow at 5pm to hear their verdict.

How do she decide to make amends and reach out to moderate Tories? By sleeping with the DUP. And appointing Gove to her Cabinet.

How long will this last? How long can it last?

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LurkingHusband · 12/06/2017 08:31

Tbh on the eu pov, seeing the mess created by brexit (and that weve just proved again with this election), we are actually demonstrating nicely that leaving the eu isnt an easy task at all!

We should have been told that before the referendum ...

Peregrina · 12/06/2017 08:33

Pink - that's not to say that the EU doesn't need reform, but how about we try to work for Reform instead of constantly whining for special deals?

Who knows? Maybe the far right being seen off in Austria and the Netherlands and Macron's win in France did have an effect on the UK electorate, and they realised that they could being to row back in a different direction. Especially when May cosied up to Trump, who is proving to be the disaster predicted.

ElenaGreco123 · 12/06/2017 08:35

Apologies but I didn't watch news for about 5 seconds yesterday, so I lost track. Is there a deal with the DUP or is it all in Teresa's imagination?

woman12345 · 12/06/2017 08:37

50 books a year?
The new Gove GCSEs are mental. Taught with no mark schemes or grade boundaries. Rushed in so there have been significant errors in exam questions for 100% exam assessed subjects. GCSE maths is now en par with AS level. Maths teachers have been unable to complete recent GCSE maths papers. KS1 kids have to learn clause structures and undergraduate linguistics. There's a test for 6-7 year olds on recognising fake words. 6-7 year olds are still learning 'real' words.

It would be funny if it wasn't so cruel to children.

citroenpresse · 12/06/2017 08:38

LurkingHusband All parties have lied about that - how complex it is and the costs. Labour nothing to be proud of here either. Personally feel EU will protect citizens first. Highly skilled, mobile Brits - well, sure they won't say no to those either. Lots of pro EU Tories (e.g. Heseltine) think that there is still space for discussing a more 'managed immigration' type policy with the EU even within the FOM principle but still keeping benefits of single market etc.

lalalonglegs · 12/06/2017 08:39

I just saw this in the Independent Orange Order wants DUP to sanction the banned Drumcree march. Shock Shock Shock Do you remember the Drumcree march, which every year ended in mass violence and in 1998 led to the murder of three young boys in an arson attack?

citroenpresse · 12/06/2017 08:42

Not sure whether you ever 'see off' the far right. Those that agree with Wilders in the Netherlands are probably not going to change their beliefs but they can be shoved out of the political mainstream.

LurkingHusband · 12/06/2017 08:44

LurkingHusband All parties have lied about that - how complex it is and the costs.

You missed my point ...

We were told before the referendum (and I have already noticed a couple of posts on MN where it's clear some people don't understand the difference between June 23rd and last Thursday).

As far as I am concerned, anyone complaining now about how difficult leaving the EU has turned out to be, was not following the debate properly. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that it was - and still remains - a mammoth undertaking.

LurkingHusband · 12/06/2017 08:47

Just bring this into the more mainstream ... hopefully the last sentence will start to bring the reality of where we are going into focus. Notice the UK losing influence, not gaining it.

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/0612/881978-brexit-unity-clause/

The British government attempted to block a move by Taoiseach Enda Kenny to insert an Irish unity declaration into the text of an extraordinary summit of EU leaders at the end of April, during which they adopted the EU's negotiating mandate ahead of the Brexit talks.

The text spelled out that in the event of a future unity referendum in Ireland, as envisaged by the Good Friday Agreement, Northern Ireland would automatically rejoin the European Union.

However, RTÉ News understands that the British government attempted to get the declaration delayed until after the UK General Election, so as not to damage Theresa May's chances of victory.

The Irish Government had been working on a unity declaration for months and wanted to provide legal certainty that, in the event of a successful border poll, Northern Ireland would automatically rejoin the EU.

The Taoiseach referred on a number of occasions to the German precedent, whereby East Germany immediately joined the EU at the moment of German reunification.

The so-called unity clause was to be inserted into the minutes of an extraordinary summit meeting in Brussels on 29 April.

However, two days beforehand, Irish officials were subject to what one source described as a sustained diplomatic offensive by London to try and block the declaration.

At one point officials from the British Department for Exiting the EU tried to set up a phone call between Mrs May and Mr Kenny on the issue.

However, the officials were told that the phone call would not happen, and that Mr Kenny was sticking to his guns.

RTÉ News also understands there were phone calls to Dublin from the Northern Ireland Office, and calls from Downing Street to European Council officials in Brussels to try and get the declaration delayed until an EU summit at the end of June.

Throughout, British officials made it clear that it could damage Mrs May in the middle of an election campaign.

This followed the uproar over Gibraltar, after it emerged that the Spanish government had sought a veto over the impact any EU-UK deal might have on the disputed territory of Gibraltar.

In the event, Mr Kenny requested the clause, and it was unanimously adopted by the other 26 member states.

A senior EU source confirmed that Downing Street had attempted to derail the Irish unity clause.

The source said that Downing Street was told in no uncertain terms that if Mr Kenny requested the unity clause it would be accepted.

The source said Downing Street was reminded that because of the Brexit result, Mr Kenny was still, "around the table", whereas Mrs May was not.

silkybear · 12/06/2017 08:51

The media is claiming that people voted labour because young people wanted free stuff (sigh) and they were remainers wanting a softer brexit, but does anyone see this brexit argument in RL? My peers are all remainers but brexit was not the reason we voted labour, more for anti austerity, anti cuts, a different kind of politics. I wonder whether many people only voted corbyn to stick one to TM and will not support him if a 2nd election comes up.

LurkingHusband · 12/06/2017 08:53

The media is claiming that people voted labour because young people wanted free stuff

Is this the same media that told us May would win a landslide ?

Who gives a fuck what they say now ???? (And that's a question that will be a little dart to Murdochs heart).

HashiAsLarry · 12/06/2017 08:58

On the wanting free stuff - what free stuff? Of the 18-24 bracket, those who were interested in uni have either been priced out or are already carrying the burden of the loans for going. That bracket has seen the worst of the austerity drive in terms of education, social care and health. Seems to me they wanted those younger than them not to suffer as they have. People should be proud.

Wrt to the election being about brexit - well that's what it was called for so commentators have every right to interpret the votes as being for or pro it. Whether people voted on the basis of brexit is another matter but then they didn't do that solely during the referendum either.

citroenpresse · 12/06/2017 08:58

silkybear exactly. Whether this was a pro or anti Brexit vote can't be determined but I do think a lot of young people ARE remainers. Re whether we need to be 'told' by anyone that Brexit is complex...most people with half a brain would know that themselves. But I wonder about those who aren't interested in politics, who don't believe that a Government would actually lie (on a big bus etc). That nice Theresa May. I trust her to get a 'good deal'. It's all so infantile, the message and the language.

woman12345 · 12/06/2017 09:00

It is a strange tale involving Theresa May’s new “friends” in the Democratic Unionist Party, the Brexit referendum campaign and a mysterious donation of £425,000.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-dup-brexit-donations-saudi-arabia-tale-tories-theresa-may-a7782681.html
Lest we forget.

ElenaGreco123 · 12/06/2017 09:01

Who gives a fuck what they say now ???? (And that's a question that will be a little dart to Murdochs heart).
You have made my day.

And here it goes what you all predicted:
Davis says 80% of the electorate voted for parties that want to leave the EU. The parties in favour of staying, the Lib Dems and the SNP, had setbacks.
[runs off screaming in frustration]

flippinada · 12/06/2017 09:03

Interesting analysis here:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/11/new-electoral-map-for-britain-revenge-of-remainers-to-upending-class-politics

Not written by a Guardian journo, but a professor of political science.

HashiAsLarry · 12/06/2017 09:08

Davis there of course twisting the truth that no party had a non leaving stance, except some had a stance of being given an option to stay at the end of the deal. So essentially remainders had no actual remaining choice

flippinada · 12/06/2017 09:08

Re Murdoch, there was some gossip going round that he stormed out of Times HQ in a rage when the result of the exit poll came in. No idea if that's true or not.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 12/06/2017 09:11

He's trotting out the 80% figures on LBC now, which is a bloody nonsense.

Oh god, why don't they listen to people.

flippinada · 12/06/2017 09:15

Reading between the lines, Tory HQ have very obviously been briefing folk to say the following:

  • We won the same amount of votes as Tony Blair, you know!
  • We're all right behind the PM because that way it's easier to knife her in the back
  • The majority of the voters backed leave supporting parties yes they did, yes they did, yes they did jinx no comebacks
Bolshybookworm · 12/06/2017 09:18

The majority of the electorate also backed staying in the single market in 2015, but I see that has been conveniently forgotten.

MrsKenningtonBag · 12/06/2017 09:23

Just saw David Davis on the telly.

He seems to be saying oh yes an open Brexit that's what we wanted all along of course. Confused

PinkPeppers · 12/06/2017 09:29

Actually I think that the Tories are preparing their exit there.
All newspaper, incl The Express etc... are now saying that Hard brexit is now a thing of the past. That we are moving towards staying the custom union.

The Conservatives have just spent a year fighting tooth and nails for a hard brexit to ensure that brexit WILL happen. Some hard brexiters are/will be most upset if the Tories give up on the Brexit stuff. They have, after all, defined themselves as THE party supporting brexit! They cant really go back on that or not just right now

So we have movement indicating that people still want brexit etc... but i expet a full change of what brexit means. Incl the move from a hard brexit with no deal to asoft brexit that will look like we've never left the the EU and we will forget conveniently all the things we have lost, that we will probably pay more than before for the privilege etc...
Its about not loosing face more than anything else atm.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 12/06/2017 09:33

*- We won the same amount of votes as Tony Blair, you know!

  • We're all right behind the PM because that way it's easier to knife her in the back
  • The majority of the voters backed leave supporting parties yes they did, yes they did, yes they did jinx no comebacks*

They are parroting all of this.

But from I gathered DD is very much pro hard, no deal better than a bad deal, Brexit.

citroenpresse · 12/06/2017 09:33

I don't know what 'open' means in the new lexicon of 'hard', 'soft' and 'clean' Brexits, but came across this think tank describing some of the more 'open' alternatives. openeurope.org.uk

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