Westministenders: The Zombie PM

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Back from the dead, May carries on whilst the vultures circle.

She had tried to out smart her rivals by running of to the palace to tell the queen she could form a government before they could act.

Definitely she stood and pretended nothing had changed. Except everything had. The wrath of her party was unleashed and there was open revolt. She has been summoned to appear before men in grey suits tomorrow at 5pm to hear their verdict.

How do she decide to make amends and reach out to moderate Tories? By sleeping with the DUP. And appointing Gove to her Cabinet.

How long will this last? How long can it last?

I think the Tories hope Boris Johnson's celebrity will work its magic on the general public. People who don't engage in any way with politics know who Johnson is and have an opinion on him. I'm just not sure how much of that opinion is positive.

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The PM's spokesman just now unable to confirm when either the Queen's Speech or Brexit negotiations will start. Both dates previously set.

Interesting.

What Remainers need to start doing NOW is effectively push a 'positive propaganda' agenda about what benefits the EU gives us. This links into Human Rights too.

Spot on and it should appeal to the heart too, like pre election video someone posted on the last thread.

Boris and Gove - how to listen to the electorate

BBC news just confirmed.

Queens speech will be delayed a few days.

I'll have to write to my MP as well and have a good go at John McDonnell and David Davis.

Boris, on the plus side, could pull off the softest of soft Brexits or no Brexit, because he has no spine or political conviction. Or just on a whim.

There is only one solution to brexit. There needs to be a multi party committee solely for brexit and completely separate from other parliamentary business. Brexit has took over everything, nothing else us being discussed. With a multi party team everybodues voice will be heard , leavers, remainers, soft and hard.

With all due respect, if we are really going to make a change as fundamental as leaving the EU, it will have to be with a bigger backing than 52% of the people who voted. Especially when in 2014, Scotland could not have left the UK with a similar result.

If we attempt to plough on treating the 2016 referendum as Holy Scripture, we are just ducking the issue again, with all that implies.

The Big Bus Bollocks alone is reason enough to question the result. Let alone all the other misinformation (and that's putting it mildly) that was extant.

Boris, on the plus side, could pull off the softest of soft Brexits or no Brexit, because he has no spine or political conviction

I can imagine him doing that too. There will be people like me who would support him. I can't stand him but I'd support anyone who could rescue a soft Brexit from the hard Brexit jaws of doom.

They are clearly very, very worried about getting the Queens Speech through.

I think it's worth reproducing this from the BBC Live Feed (my emphasis in bold):

The government has yet to nail down this deal with the DUP and they will be very wary of presenting a Queen's Speech unless they are absolutely confident they can get it through - because if they can’t and they are defeated on the Queen’s speech, that is tantamount to a vote of no confidence.

So obviously they have to nail down this deal with the DUP before they say "right we are going to go for the Queen’s Speech".

So they are keeping their options open there

But the deal with the DUP is going to be difficult

Not just because we’ve already seen figures like Ruth Davidson expressing concerns about the attitude of the DUP on some social policy areas, but also because of the impact it could potentially have on Northern Ireland politics if the government is seen to be backing one side, ie the DUP, when of course they will have to reach a deal with Sinn Fein.

The real concern is the deal at Westminster could jeopardise the future of power sharing in Northern Ireland

You voted for Theresa but you get Boris...no electoral process at all?

Conservative party won't release any numbers on their members but a HOC report published in March says 147k in 2013. Labour was 517k in March 2017 but probably nearer 700 or 800 with new members before and after election. It's a teeny percentage of those who do actually vote Tory or Labour but to get NO vote at all when you are a core supporter is crap.

Marking place. Thanks Red.

I can’t wait to the next episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver:

Lord Buckethead makes US TV debut with John Oliver

In an episode almost entirely given over to the election, host Oliver briefly explained to his audience Britain's tradition of joke political candidates - and, as the show drew to a close, he directly addressed the Prime Minister, suggesting that Lord Buckethead, who appeared live and in person in the New York studio, could be the man to handle Brexit negotiations.

“Is it an absurd idea? Yes!” Oliver admitted. “But it would not even be close to the stupidest thing you’ve ever done.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/lord-buckethead-makes-us-tv-debut-john-oliver/

The Queen is busy next Tuesday - Friday.

Royal Ascot.

No government before the week after. Which means Brexit talks CAN NOT start in theory before then either.

because he has no spine or political conviction I think that makes him all the more dangerous. He seems to have a relativist moral code. ifyswim.
The Big Bus Bollocks alone plus DUP Leave funding riddle.

Trump and Boris have been the plan for some one or other for about 3 years, I'd guess.

Boris could pull it off Soft Brexit? Seriously? With Gove as his best buddy whispering in his ear?

Are you having a laugh?

Its far more likely we would have an even more Trumpian approach with even more propaganda and Churchill and flag waving.

Hooooorah chaps!

Remain need to up their game if that's the case.

Sorry lurkinghusband I disagree. The referendum was a democratic vote and we can go on ad finite about how it was lies etc etc etc and all of that has been done to death. No Government in their right mind would would go against that vote. It would be political suicide. You would have mass demonstrations. The question should never have been asked in the first place but no way can the outcome be reversed. Like or unlike the result this country us STILL a democracy. We can try to get a soft brexit but that is all. Kier was talking on daily politics that there could be an opportunity to alter EU policy on immigration across the board and on trade. A big dream but it may come about. Who knows?

• brexit is the will of the people
• you mean for the good of the elite?
• no, the people, you're all selfish

people speak in an unexpected way

• the elite - fuck you all, we're carrying on anyway old chaps. What what. Tally ho

Sadly some people still think this wasnt just an elitist bunfight.

Triggering A50 was passed in the House of Commons with a majority of 384. The most remainers can hope for is a deal that is as close as possible to remaining.

Trump and Boris have been the plan for some one or other for about 3 years, I'd guess.

Exactly woman. Is that someone getting impatient?

I used to work in the same organisation as Boris although I was many, many rungs below him so had little direct contact. My main memory of him was the way in which he was constantly indulged which made him utterly selfish - he would think nothing of agreeing to write something for someone's pages and then not filing until 9pm on press night (typically, the pages had to be done and dusted by 6) or not filing at all. Yet, it was always "Ho, ho, that's Boris for you" "He was soooo funny when I chased him for the article, I didn't have the heart to bollock him." He has absolutely no self-discipline and he has surrounded himself, in ways worse than May, with people who are amused by him rather than tell him to grow the fuck up.

He was also unbelievably disloyal.

Would he reverse ferret on Brexit? Possibly, if he felt it was in his own interests but, at the moment, I don't see how it could be.

Would it have to be TM in charge for now because there are so many Boris-haters in her own party that they might rebel if they thought he was going to be in charge. So TM until Q speech passed safely then in you come Boris?

They may be all smiles now, but I promise you Red that Gove would not dare to go within striking distance of Johnson without witnesses. Johnson does not come across as forgiving.
The Sun must be having a laugh or this is Murdoch's attempt to force a truce www.thesun.co.uk/news/3772345/michael-gove-reached-out-to-former-rival-boris-johnson-as-foreign-secretary-plots-leadership-bid/

And isn't Boris a bit 'compromised'?

Trump reveals what it's like having a compromised leader and compromised 'policy' like 'brexit: . f**ing dangerous.

Amorality is more dangerous than immorality, and that's what this crew are.

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According to @LordAshcroft poll 35-44s voted LAB 50%-CON 30%. That’s not kids, thats mortgages, car-owning, kids at school, mid-career.

Triggering A50 was passed in the House of Commons with a majority of 384
The referendum was a democratic vote

All of which goes to show how weak our democratic processes are. Brexit was decided on the closest of margins in a unbinding referendum, and yet over weeks of press goading, it became a totem of our democracy. People who challenged were 'enemies of the people' and 'saboteurs'. It was against that background that MPs were press-ganged into voting for A50 while delivering speeches which pointed out the folly of Brexit.
The really courageous leader where is our Macron will point out that the best deal is the one we have thrown away as the rest of the world knows and we rescue the country by negotiating to get as near as we can to what we had. Because if we don't we're fucked and we have fucked up our children's future. I'm a bit angry