Westministenders: The Zombie PM

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Back from the dead, May carries on whilst the vultures circle.

She had tried to out smart her rivals by running of to the palace to tell the queen she could form a government before they could act.

Definitely she stood and pretended nothing had changed. Except everything had. The wrath of her party was unleashed and there was open revolt. She has been summoned to appear before men in grey suits tomorrow at 5pm to hear their verdict.

How do she decide to make amends and reach out to moderate Tories? By sleeping with the DUP. And appointing Gove to her Cabinet.

How long will this last? How long can it last?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2954669-Westminstenders-The-Brexit-Apprentice?watched=1
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More woe for May as another action she took as Home Secretary is found illegal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40272323

There won't be much of that £350 million left for the NHS when we've compensated all the people whose rights Theresa May shat on.

Also, her previously cavalier attitude to peoples rights doesn't bode well for EU citizens rights. Or, more importantly, the ability of the EU27 to have any confidence in her abilities to protect them.

I think she must be ruing the day she rushed to put her name forward for PM. She ought to have looked at BoJo and questioned why he held back.

I don't want a second referendum on in / out, but I do want a referendum that allows voters to say a) keep things as they are (but pressing on reforming key areas of the EU); b) accept package X as a negotiated exit from the EU and exit in 2018/19; or c) keep working on package Y with the aim of exiting by 2020.

I don't think this is realistic, BTW, but hey, nothing going on right now bears much resemblance to the reality we know so....

Some one in power, has to say, 'this is stupid, stop it', and sort out the public services.
There seems to be no operational stupidometer in tory party at the moment.

Tim Farron has resigned

Who would have thought three weeks ago that Jeremy Corbyn would look the most secure party leader?

BBC news just fed through to my phone Tim FARRON resigned!

'not compatible with being a Christian'. What???

that's possibly the worst reason ever for resigning

Theresa May has no problem reminding us that she is a Vicar's daughter. I have to question whether she is a Christian.

Yes. If I sleep in my Garage, it doesnt make me a car....
Just going to church etc.....

Jumped before he was pushed, over the same thing.

Plus young people were not getting past his explanation, no matter how liberal they profess themselves to be.

Tories don't mind voting for someone who is a bit homophobic. Young people do mind.

It is wrong to say that he is homophobic or he would not have been able to vote in the way that he did. I do admit that is a subtlety lost on many. I still feel angry at the easy ride May got. Still she has the shit storm to sort out, and Boris and Gove won't be coming to her rescue any time soon.

Yy peregrina
It's possible to hold personal belief for yourself but defend other people's rights to live differently. Tim has managed the dichotomy for years, but it's a massive distraction as a leader.

I didn't phrase my last post very well. It was more the point that the mud had stuck and people thought that of him.

I agree completely Peregina.

The problem is all the people who disagree.

I know a lot of people who that is the first thing they say about Tim Farron and really couldn't get past it. They are a lot less tolerant than they profess to be. They was a huge hypocrisy about it.

Its important considering the LD have to go after the youth vote in the future though.

Tim has managed the dichotomy for years, but it's a massive distraction as a leader.

And for a Mainstream right wing/fascist media who gave the Tories an easy ride, it was too much of a gift.

They are a lot less tolerant than they profess to be. They was a huge hypocrisy about it.
It's actually been quite illuminating where the line is for people with what they tolerate. Sexual freedoms, yes. Religious, hell no.

Its important considering the LD have to go after the youth vote in the future though.

I agree and that is why it may be a blessing in disguise that Clegg lost. Blair lost his authority over Iraq and being New Labour; Corbyn is not Blair and ran on a much more socialist ticket.

Clegg is coalition and tuition fees. I don't know who we will get to replace him - all the others are either from the coalition or are too new to be the Leader.

Jo Swinson is being touted.

Another female leader up against May?

And for a Mainstream right wing/fascist media who gave the Tories an easy ride, it was too much of a gift.

Agreed, at the time of the brouhaha I was saying to DH, surely what matters is his actions (voting in favour of the rights of people to live as they wish) not his personal faith - in stark contrast to certain Tories we might mention. But it ended up being a point of weakness in the face of the Tory-supporting media.

And I'm one of those strident atheist types, too.

in stark contrast to certain Tories we might mention.

Indeed yes, one who talks about 'a country which works for everyone' but does not vote that way. A certain Tory who is now plagiarising Corbyn's words about “no one and no community is left behind”. Truth does out in the end but it takes time and the fight continues.

I am more angry now than I was a year ago. Having got my candidate in last Thursday after a lot of hard work, I am still buoyed up, but I realise that we need to dig in for a long war. The odd skirmish has been won.

Shame about Farron, or any other politician who is targeted for their personal religious beliefs, not political actions

So long as a politician doesn't try to impose those views on others - e.g. some Christians feel entitled to impose their views on homosexuality or abortion - then it's irrelevant

I'm a Lib Dem, and I've kind of accepted the argument of looking at TF's votes over his opinions, but...

If I knew a party was led by someone who subscribed to a religion decreeing that women were permanently and irrevocably inferior to men: would I be won over by them saying that they had mostly voted for equal rights, except that time when they abstained, and that other time they were away, and, and, and...?

I'm thinking not.

Anyway, I suspect he has been defenestrated because we now have more than 8 MPs to choose from, more than any major religious crisis.

If the issue of faith was not a cause of conflict for TF I really don't understand why he is bringing it up as a resignation issue. Losing seats and vote share in England and a whole load of winnable seats to the Tories in Scotland on the back of an incoherent campaign would have been plenty reason for most. Had a scan through the 50 or so seats they lost in 2015 earlier. They are now mostly properly blue or going red because they are mainly in Leave leaning areas and had significant UKIP votes which have split to the other 2 parties.

Surprising, that's actually practical:
shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, said:

" it is the responsibility of government to provide solutions.

The government must now as a matter of urgency lift the housing revenue account borrowing cap to free councils to undertake the urgent retrofitting work required on all existing housing stock found not to meet required safety standards.

Councils must also be given the power, as Labour’s housing manifesto pledges to do, to borrow to invest in council housing on the scale necessary to allow all those living in homes deemed to be unsafe to be properly rehoused."