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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:36

How many seats did you lose?

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:37

Our friends in the DUP

BestIsWest · 11/06/2017 09:37

Just catching up.

WRT to people not knowing the dates of WW2, I lost count last year of people commenting that we shouldn't blame older people for voting for Brexit because they had every right to having fought in the war.

So that would be the over 90s then.

LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 09:37

Very much enjoying Marr this morning!

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:38

Michael Fallon seems to have the script down to a tee.

Our friends in the DUP
We got the largest number of seats..

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:39

Where is the Prime Minister?

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 09:39

Fallen in denial mode.

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 09:40

Hezza's statesmanship compares starkly with Fallon's myopia (Mayopia) "No other legitimate party"

Londonlovely · 11/06/2017 09:40

"A new Conservative PM could get a deal, including on immigration, "that could keep us in the European family," says Lord Heseltine."

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:41

Downing St confirms agreement

No agreement

#coalitionofchaos

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 09:41

Ask him how much money your going to give the DUP Marr!

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:42

Are you repulsed by gay people?

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 09:43

Matt to Fallon: are you replied by gay people.

ROFL

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 09:43

Repulsed even

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LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 09:44

And Marr reading out some horrifying quotes, too! Grin

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:44

Marr is enjoying this

LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 09:45

He's not letting go of this bone easily, is he?

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:45

Theresa May is going to get exactly the same questions sometime.

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 09:45

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha the Terrorist question. Are they Terrorist?

They are in the democratic process now.

What like Simon Fein?!

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BiglyBadgers · 11/06/2017 09:45

I am not even a little bit surprised that most people seem not to have a clue who the DUP are. My conversations with people on and off line about Corbyn and the IRA showed me that the English have managed, for the most part, to conveniently forget their role in the Troubles and place the IRA in the role of sole irrational evil, as if they had risen from the depths to sow terror for no earthly reason.

I think I have mentioned before that family on my grandmothers side were Irish republicans, so when I started to hear about the Troubles my mother sat me down and gave me both sides of the story. I think for many in England they only ever heard the one side and had very little education about their own history in this regard. Horrific acts were carried out and condoned by people on all sides during the troubles and we would do well to remember that if we hope to have a lasting peace and learn from our mistakes.

This coalition is outrageous and I can't see how it could possibly last. Can you imagine if labour had even hinted at going into coalition with Sinn Fein? Shock

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 09:46

Sinn Fein damn autocorrect!

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flippinada · 11/06/2017 09:47

Slightly behind here with the Marr show (watching it on iplayer) but Osborne's unconcealed glee is quite something to watch. And I never thought I'd be smiling along with him.

Sostenueto · 11/06/2017 09:48

No sign of hard brexit then?

LemonSalad · 11/06/2017 09:48

James Forsyth‏ @JGForsyth
Joke doing the rounds in Tory circles, 'Let's spend £350 million a week on our priorities, the DUP'. Gallows humour

TheColdDoesBotherMeAnyway · 11/06/2017 09:49

And she won't answer them either Orlantina