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Westministenders: Strong and Stable Theresa Date with Destiny

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 01:54

WELLLLL

Its just before 2.00am.

So far its the YouGov model all the way. Still a long way to go but, the Cons are not getting the top of their target list and Labour are doing very well in seats they just 'shouldn't be'.

Corbyn is now favourite to take the poison chalice of Brexit, but they may not be the largest party yet.

This is looking right now like 1974 not 1983.

May's potted regardless. I look forward to her resignation speech. Its still entirely possible that our next government is a Tory Minority under another leader.

The LDs are having a rough night so far. They are loosing deposits all over the place as they are squeezed out. But they still might hold the balance of power yet. Though they are pledged not to go into coalition.

Another election in the autumn? Brexit delayed and going soft and squishy?

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TheElementsSong · 09/06/2017 14:38

I wonder how many Tory supporters thought they were voting for a grubby alliance with Young-Earth-Creationist, Dinosaur-denying, homophobic, anti-choice, terrorist sympathisers? Mind you, I suppose many of them already are Young-Earth-Creationist, Dinosaur-denying, homophobic, anti-choice, terrorist sympathisers.

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 14:38

Come on May. Hurry up with the Cabinet reshuffle. I want to know how bad the nuclear fall Corbyn created is and how hard it will be to clear it up. .

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LurkingHusband · 09/06/2017 14:39

I just looked at the FTP Act - there's nothing in there on repeal, so it looks very much as if it can be repealed on a simple majority - as you say, a simpler process than calling a snap election under its terms

So the rule which required a 2/3 majority could itself be removed by a 1/2 majority ?

And nobody thought this odd ?

MInd you, we're back through the looking glass. The Tories need the DUP to be able to repeal the FTPA.

If I were the DUP, I would just say "fuck off - we're here for the next five years, matey."

LurkingHusband · 09/06/2017 14:40

What has he said?

Fuck all Smile. Has anyone held a [safety] mirror to his mouth ?

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 09/06/2017 14:41

Lol...maybe he's got his gimp mask on and can't take it off

TheElementsSong · 09/06/2017 14:42

Makes me wonder... out of all the minority parties May could have gone to, in search of some support to form a minority government, how interesting that her instinct was the DUP... does it say something about her personal preferences, or about what she thinks Tory supporters will like, or really what Tory supporters will like?

whatwouldrondo · 09/06/2017 14:42

I remember Red speculating the Maybot was controlled. That was exactly what happened at Conservative HQ. She was called in for a reboot, with her sensitivity and powers to accept criticism, never high, turned off completely, like the cybermen. She has been pushed out by the right wing to gain them some time to get their act together and push forward their Master. IDS was preparing the way earlier. "stability, stability, stability" is the new rallying call of the right. The new will be filled with right wingers for the same reason. If anyone had any doubts that they do not give a shit about anything but their own power then it is now evident.

Come on Soubrey, Clarke, Wollaston, and all the other moderates, now is your time.

Actually I think Clarke would make a rather good Doctor, with Soubrey and Woolaston as his companions.......

whatwouldrondo · 09/06/2017 14:43

New Cabinet

squishysquirmy · 09/06/2017 14:47

"Mind you, I suppose many of them already are Young-Earth-Creationist, Dinosaur-denying, homophobic, anti-choice, terrorist sympathisers."

I am sure there will be a few. But most of them aren't. Plenty of Conservative voters are socially progressive, but economically Conservative. Even those who are "small c" conservative on social issues are rarely that extreme.
I am opposed to the Conservatives in many ways, but many Conservative voters are more progressive than you might expect, just as many Conservative MPs are quite socially progressive.

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 14:49

So the rule which required a 2/3 majority could itself be removed by a 1/2 majority ?

And nobody thought this odd ?

Yeah I know. Its a bloody ridiculous law.

The whole Cabinet have ALL been silent. Uncannily so.
They want to keep out of it and not be the first to plunge the knife in at the moment. Once someone starts I can't help but think they'll descend on her like a rabid packet of starving hyenas.

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LurkingHusband · 09/06/2017 14:49

I am opposed to the Conservatives in many ways, but many Conservative voters are more progressive than you might expect, just as many Conservative MPs are quite socially progressive.

To be fair, Cameron seemed quite bullish about LGBT rights ?

OlennasWimple · 09/06/2017 14:50

TheElement - I don't think she had much choice: she needed to move quickly and she needed to look somewhere that had all the numbers she needed in one fell swoop. The Lib Dems ruled themselves out of a coalition type agreement early on (once bitten, twice shy...), and there was no way that she could have got the numbers together from the others who could have been persuaded, never mind be assured of party support for the arrangement.

I don't think it was sinister, in this case

TheElementsSong · 09/06/2017 14:51

They want to keep out of it and not be the first to plunge the knife in at the moment. Once someone starts I can't help but think they'll descend on her like a rabid packet of starving hyenas.

Like the Ides of March.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 09/06/2017 14:52

Some of my best friends are Tories...and Leavers and I suspect previously secret Kippers

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 14:54

Claire McCann‏*@clumperino*
Seems that May is under more pressure to get that 'certainty' she seemed so confident earlier. Neither Scot Tories nor DUP on board. yet.
And @RuthDavidsonMSP is calling on May to change her course ... and interesting comments on #brexit

Has May just asked informed the Queen that she has support to form a government she hasn't checked she has support for?!

And what the hell has Ruth said?

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OlennasWimple · 09/06/2017 14:54

Red - but what good would wielding the knife do at this point?

There is no appetite for another election amongst the voting public. Brexit is a horrible, poisoned chalice. Surely only a fool would think "aha, here's the moment I've been waiting for", and Boris is many things but not a fool, and fools like Andrea Leadsome need backers to be able to make their move. Plus there's the threat that if they make a mess of the coup the Tories lose power

If I were a moderately ambitious Tory MP I would sit and wait. I might accept a Cabinet position - preferably one that is not too closely intertwined with Brexit, so far as there is such a thing - but I wouldn't be hammering on the door for one. I would bide my time, until the working arrangement started to crumble, or some other event came along to allow me to step forward, say that my hand had been forced and it was with a heavy heart that I was throwing my hat in the ring to be the new leader.

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 14:55

Press Association‏*@PA*

#Breaking DUP leader Arlene Foster says party having talks with Tories "to explore how it may be possible to bring stability to our nation"

Not done deal yet.

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 14:57

That's my thinking actually Olennas. But May is such a liability. Like Trump they will lurch from one crisis to the next. That's not necessarily what anyone wants either from a point of having political ambition. You also need time to stamp own mark on things too.

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TheElementsSong · 09/06/2017 14:58

many Conservative voters are more progressive than you might expect

I'd expect the majority of Tory voters to be progressive, surely? As in, most of the human race are pretty "live and let live"? I just can't quite imagine any of the other parties, in TM's position, even dreaming it would fly with their supporters to cut a deal with a party holding views like the DUP. What's other posters' take on it?

To be fair, Cameron seemed quite bullish about LGBT rights

He did good, there.

whatwouldrondo · 09/06/2017 14:58

Olenna Not just once bitten twice shy, they could not do business with May herself. The coalition for good or ill was facilitated by a bromance between Cameron and Clegg. Clegg may have underestimated their ruthlessness but it could not happen without a working relationship. Who was the one Tory who was never part of that working relationship, did not even pretend?

www.independent.co.uk/voices/vince-cable-theresa-may-home-secretary-immigration-students-a7615996.html

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 09/06/2017 14:59

Pink Hysterical loving the deranged picture of AF too

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 14:59

Sam Freedman‏*@Samfr*
Another significant ramification of last night's results is the SNP have no safe seats left which makes a Labour majority viable next time.

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LemonSalad · 09/06/2017 15:00

Possibly a stupid question but re a hard Brexit: How much do we need to worry about batshit Labour Brexiters like Hoey voting with the Tories? And how many of them are there?

citroenpresse · 09/06/2017 15:02

squishy absolutely agree with that but the main parties are such 'broad churches' it's never clear what people are really motivated by. Tories who lost their seats are really laying into May's advisors - but if she has to dump Hill and Timothy, she'll be even more stuck support wise. May's husband looked jolly worried while she was speaking. She seems such a brittle and vulnerable personality.

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