Westministenders: The Election Car Crash

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I was thinking about how I could sum up the general election campaign and well. This said it all.

Did you watch it? JustAnotherPoster00

I presume that the Lords would be able to vote down pulling out of the ECHR because it's not in the Manifesto. Despite May's U turns, what is written is the Manifesto, not whatever correction she dreams up - unless she were to issue a fresh Manifesto. Still - she has partly wanted to do this for years, and is partly slavishly copying Trump.

Why haven't we made a big song and dance about it being the Anniversary of D-Day today? Usually we can't get enough of WW2? (I know the answer, just asking a rhetorical question.)

Oh, God, I hate Corbyn's rallies. Hate all bloody rallies. All so cult. And, probably, pointless. The fear was that Labour Leave seats would lose to UKIP or the Tories. But, instead, (I can't remember where I read it) most Leave voters aren't Brexiteers. They will revert to type in a GE. So, I suspect Corbyn is wasting a lot of energy in those seats.

But I have noticed that Starmer has been visiting Labour marginals. He's be much more effective there than Corbyn so whether that's a party strategy or an individual strategy might be interesting.

Going back to why would Remainers vote Labour - well it'll depend where they live. And that, short-term, the Tories can cause a lot of damage to other things even before Brexit. I also think that Starmer's plan (maybe not Corbyn's?) is to engineer a Brexit which looks like Leave but isn't. And people are secretly banking on him becoming leader. Corbyn is 68, Starmer is 54. None of that may happen but I think it may be behind some thinking.

yeah watched a bit of it

Oh, God, I hate Corbyn's rallies.

Even with added rainbows ????

YouGov gave me a 1st warning the other day that some of my answers where inconsistent and they "take seriously the integrity of their data". They may block me if it carries on. I got told off! .

Yes. Even with added rainbows.

Time for this again.

Yes Swedish, Starmer was in our constituency this week and it's very marginal. Very marginal. I was saying to DH that he looks like a future leader.

Nooo, I've always said that scene is the scariest from any film I've ever seen.

SwedishEdith that clip scares the willies out of me.

Respectfully and compassionately disagree with you Swedish.

Unless you liked the poll tax, apartheid, disenfranchisement of women, health and safety laws, brought by trade union actions.

Human rights are not a given.

Rights have to be defended.

Rallies and demonstrations is how it's done. No one wants to waste time on political actions, but it seems important right now.

And especially on a day when May is reversing ECHR.

And comparing this one to a Nazi singing scene in Cabaret is hurtful.

Especially as one of the speakers was the teenager Saffiyah Khan who faced down EDL thugs on a march.

But each to their own.

Steve Peers @ stevepeers
Ripping up human rights laws could also be May's opportunity to reduce the level of protection from expulsion for EU citizens in the UK.

Chrus Pounder @ halktalk_blog
Derogating ECHR kills of any idea of adequacy re #GDPR See link below and its not in the Tory Manifesto

amberhawk.typepad.com/amberhawk/2017/01/why-the-uk-is-unlikely-to-get-an-adequacy-determination-post-brexit.html
Why the UK is unlikely to get an adequacy determination post Brexit

This blog adds two further reasons why I think a post-Brexit UK is very unlikely to offer an adequate level of protection in terms of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).

One reason relates to recent comments made by Prime Minister Mrs May about human rights. The other relates to the non-compliance of the national security agencies with their existing data protection obligations under the Data Protection Act 1998 (DPA).

Steve Peers @ stevepeers
Good point. Limiting human rights laws might complicate UK/EU data flows which (among other things) help to...combat terrorism

Let's get this straight. May's attack on human rights is none compatible with an EU deal and EU anti terrorism cooperation.

It's not in the manifesto so the Salisbury convention doesn't apply.

I suspect the executive could apply for a temporary suspension and bypass parliament. But they have to go to the EHCR to do that.

The GFA relies on the EHCR so she can't just walk away from it without destroying the GFA.

She makes a big song and dance about this two days before an election when she's on the back foot with her track record on security.

I misunderstood you Swedish. I thought you were comparing the tearing up of human rights Act to Nazism, not Corbyn.

I don't think Swedish's actions were hurtful. I saw it as a reminder of the slippery slope we are on, and not enough people realise it. Theresa May certainly won't realise it - she will still be parading her good daughter of the vicar credentials, not those of a nascent fascist.

Leavers almost invariably object to the comparisons - perhaps because deep down they recognise the truth.

I have said before - eighty to ninety years ago the Germans didn't know where it would lead, so could offer some sort of excuse. We do know and we won't be able to excuse ourselves.

whatwouldrondo did a great post a while back to the effect that people said of Trump's mad promises, he surely can't do that.
And now look...........

Surely she can't rip up ECHR and GFA and so on, just watch them do it on Friday morning.

If I misunderstood Swedish's posting of the video sorry, I thought the reference was to the Labour rally.

Of course, good things can happen at rallies woman. I just hate that crowd/mob feeling. A big homogenous mass. They make me feel uneasy.

I don't think Swedish's actions were hurtful. I saw it as a reminder of the slippery slope we are on, and not enough people realise it. Theresa May certainly won't realise it - she will still be parading her good daughter of the vicar credentials, not those of a nascent fascist.

The road to hell is paved with road intentions...

May's problem is her inability to admit when she is wrong and to not take responsibility for her own actions instead blaming others.

I just hate that crowd/mob feeling. A big homogenous mass. They make me feel uneasy

Gigs are pretty fun...

Actually, it was about rallies in general. Crowds, getting people fired up. I don't like it. Sorry if it's caused confusion.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-polarisation-of-party-supporters-since-2015/
The polarisation of party supporters since 2015 and the problem of the ’empty centre’ – in maps

Well, yes, gigs are good but even then I hate arena type ones. .

I just hate that crowd/mob feeling I get that. The Women's Marches seemed to go OK, though.

A few thousand people in a rainy/ rainbowy recreation ground in Birmingham with Steve Coogan reading poetry and the elderly Farm performing Altogether Now wasn't exactly threatening.
90s music is certainly getting a good innings in current times. (except Noel )

@revrichardcoles
Here's activism: I heard of an old lady today who asks for a lift to the polls from a party she doesn't vote for so someone else can't.