What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

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Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

On the subject of Euro trillions could it be that the OP has doubts, doesn't trust Treeza and ponders the (im) possibility of a soft Brexit as an attractive compromise? You see....

I think the OP is having doubts.
I suspect the OP would like to delay.
I think the OP (and many others) love the benefits of accessing a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market ..
Because Optionalé, leaving the EU isn't just for 5 years, this is for the rest of your life.

(Name that film)

ssets as the price falls and profit from confusion and uncertainty.

See this from Today 16:56 fakenamefornow

People who voted Leave would have got absolutely 100% what they voted for, which was, the UK out of the EU, as you seem to need reminding. Norway is NOT in the EU

I actually have more respect for you than many others here who are desperately trying to avoid saying exactly Soft Brexit would be..At least you're clear what you're hoping for...

• Yes we would be out of the EU (nominally to satisfy the leavers)
• But we would still be paying billions into EU budgets (same as now)
• We would still have to comply with all EU regulations (same as now)
• We would still have unlimited numbers of EU migrants (same as now)
• We would not have any say on the EU Commission or Council

Yay!

Today 17:21 fakenamefornow

My mum voted out, I told her yesterday she might not be able to play Euromillions after March 2019. She was most upset

So let's see how far we get with Remainer Bingo and fakenamefornow's mum

• A Leaver who is not very clever - by implication
• A Leaver who is older - by implication
• A Leaver who is racist - aww so close to 3 for 3 for a Remainer full house..

No doubt you will enlightened us further..

Today 17:56 lonelyplanetmum

Could it be that the OP has doubts, doesn't trust Treeza

Steady on now lonelyplanetmum. Don't you realise that calling politicians by an incorrect name is deeply deeply objectionable?

Today 15:23 Kaija
To put it in even simpler terms, soft Brexit is a shit option compared to full EU membership, but it's a lot better than hard Brexit

Kaija you have not yet shared your own view as to what exactly Soft Brexit would entail / include.

Statistically leavers were less educated and older.

As to racism, hate crimes spiked more in predominantly leave areas.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime-racism-immigration-eu-referendum-result-what-it-means-eurospectic-areas-a7165056.html%3Famp

Does that make you happier?

Thanks user1471.. You're an absolute gem.

"Kaija you have not yet shared your own view as to what exactly Soft Brexit would entail / include."

Why would I want to do that on a thread like this? It's not me or any remain voter or campaigner that has put us in the unbelievably dumb position of even having to consider how to limit the damage inflicted. Brexiteers caused this and I am beyond sick of trying to figure out how we're going to get through it in the total absence of any remotely sensible ideas from the people who apparently wanted it to happen.

Today 16:57 Bearbehind

But I wanted to hear from people who still hoping for a Soft Brexit outcome.

Why? So you can go 'ner ner ner'?

I would never ever do that to you, Bearbehind, never. I have too much respect for you.

Back to the program.

Soft Brexit won't exist for now. Because the word is that it is a good deal or no deal. Work it out for yourselves. A good deal does not involve immigration or free movement for starters. So...

There will be a deal. EU probably needs to do a deal alright, but without signalling that it's fine to leave and cosy up to the EU regardless.

Forget about Junker the Drunker, he is a caricature of himself. I would be looking at the EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier. Watch this space.

Whatever about the UK wanting to leave the EU, that's fine, but personally I think it happened just too fast for anything to keep up. One day everyone thought it would be IN, next day it was OUT.

That is not condusive to timely talks and negotiations. It is all happening in a frenzy now. And of course the GE has suspended negotiations for 8 weeks or so. In a short time frame that is huge.

But anyway.....

"Er cos that's kinda like the whole point of the thread"

Er, it very obviously isn't.

" And of course the GE has suspended negotiations for 8 weeks or so. In a short time frame that is huge."

Yes. Rather suggests someone has a reason to procrastinate.

Kaija

Who do you thing had a reason to procrastinate?

Some might think the answer is obvious. But for what end?

This is mad stuff. And led by the nose is something I always think about when explanations are not forthcoming.

I think that the Tories certainly have an interest in consolidating their position domestically before the weakness of our negotiating hand is fully revealed. Beyond that I don't know.

Isn't the point of the thread to ramble incoherently loosely on the theme of Brexit?

Did I miss something?

I have this feeling that the EU is mightier than the UK.

I could be raving of course, and often am.

But hubris is something to be aware of on UK terms. Just to mention.

I actually have more respect for you than many others here who are desperately trying to avoid saying exactly Soft Brexit would be..At least you're clear what you're hoping for...

Actually I haven't said anywhere what I'm hoping for or what I mean by soft Brexit. Don't let facts trouble you though.

A Leaver who is racist - aww so close to 3 for 3 for a Remainer full house.

If fact my mum is a raging racist, she loves Nigel Farage and has said that finally, somebody is representing her views and wants immigrants out. So, full house for you! If you need any more info on Leave voter profiles, please refer to User1471's tables.

"I have this feeling that the EU is mightier than the UK."

Do you know, I think you might be on to something there.

kaija

What are your opinions of the Hubris of the UK?

Just wondered if that might be a factor in the desire from many for a Hard Brexit.

Absolutely. And one that was very consciously manipulated throughout the campaign.

Hubris, nemesis and catharsis (the three stages of Greek tragedy).

lonely planetmum.

What are you saying here thanks

Today 18:58 Kaija
Er cos that's kinda like the whole point of the thread.Er, it very obviously isn't

You might have messed the TITLE of the thread....
What exactly is a Soft Brexit"?

Today 19:23 fakenamefornow
Actually I haven't said anywhere what I'm hoping for or what I mean by soft Brexit.

Aww fakename you were doing so well. But now you're just in with the majority of diehard Remainers... "We're for a mysterious thing called Soft Brexit.. but we're unwilling or unable to say what it is"...