What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

[optionalrationale]

Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

Lacking legislative initiative?

Optional -Yes I actually agree with you the EU ability to take legislative initiative is insignificant compared to our own..

Indeed you are kindly reinforcing my previous key point. Your hard Brexit loses us open access to a hugely beneficial $16.6 trillion annual market. What do we gain?....oh yes, silly me, we gain control of some insignificant legislative powers we happily delegated 40 years ago.

It all comes back to this...

We always had 100% MP control on the critical things :Health policy. Education. Fiscal policy. Public expenditure. Monetary policy. Income tax. Corporation tax. Capital gains tax. Inheritance tax. Border control and security. Non-EU immigration. Pensions. Welfare. Foreign policy decisions. Defence. Military Intelligence. Development cooperation and humanitarian aid. All local government. National policing. Crime. Media and press regulation. Family law. Property law and succession of estates.

The shared powers (that Leave voters have fussed about endlessly) are the more administrative matters, mostly to do with food and health. We agreed to have a joint say (currently 73/748 so 9.7 %) over these things, in return for trade. Yippee you will say the referendum victory and tomorrow's Tory victory means we reclaim regulation over Energy.Climate.Environment.Agriculture and lose our joint ability to control these matters in Germany etc.

BUT we also....

🔹lose our share in a powerhouse with 500 million consumers
🔹lose £24 billion of investment every year from other EU countries
🔹lose much of 44% of Britain’s total EU exports worth over £220 billion a year to the UK economy.
🔹jeopardise over 3 million British jobs linked to trade with the EU
🔹lose Britain’s influence as part of the EU containing eight of the 20 most competitive economies in the world.

Your comments on the role of the executive overlook the fact that in practice the majority of bills which become law in both the UK and EU are introduced by the executive but to become law must be passed by the legislature. So what.

Do you know what else...I just clicked that despite the script she delivers Treeza agrees with me!

We have brought an economic disaster on ourselves, and she knows. I could never completely fathom the full reasons behind the timing of tomorrow's election. However an article in the independent made the penny drop.

The key psychology behind the timing of an early election is that it signals a profound fear for a bleak future. Treeza has access to information we don't; she knows how our exit will go more than we do.She knows it is a catastrophe. Therefore, it made sense to go to the country now, and obtain as many seats while she appeared popular, rather than wait for the free fall she knows is coming our way.

We are the World's fool.

inews.co.uk/opinion/politicians-call-snap-elections-theyre-worried-future/
<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=m.youtube.com/watch?v=V2zxHuze_Gw" target="blank">http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=m.youtube.com/watch?v=V2zxHuze_Gww

We can only get rid of May tomorrow as an election was called.

Today now, and even that will only be possible if we live in the Maidenhead constituency. Despite the weird, I, I, I, me, me, me, letter she sent, she isn't standing in my constituency.

If her results don't satisfy the Tory party, they will stab her in the back - as they did with Mrs Thatcher. Not even the Tory party members will get a look in.

LonelyMum
Zut alors!!!!!

Peregrina
Remind me, where exactly is Junkers' constituency?

Who is this Junkers? Can't tell you where a made up person lives.

Optional....you are the Only person who cares about Jean Claude other than his family.

Who cares about the fact there is a Luxembourg politician in EU presidency at the moment? The Germans,French,Italians etc were not making an equivalent fuss about the long periods of time when Roy Jenkins,Margaret Thatcher,Tony Blair,John Major,Jim Callaghan etc took their turn as being a figure head.

But then others understand that it.is.worthwhile.putting.up.with.rotating. presidencies.in. return.for. open.access. to. a. $16.6 trillion.market.

Voting Tory is a vote for your disastrous hard Brexit. You have guts Optionalé I'll give you that to stand your ground when the Times, the Independent,the FT, the Guardian, the LSE, the OECD, Chatham house, Reuters, the New Yorker etc all disagree with you.Brexit is a disaster and the government is still shockingly and utterly unprepared for it, a year in.

The economy remains at a standstill, hit by the soaring inflation caused by the collapse in the pound. We are the laughing stock of the world .Yesterday the OECD, the leading global economic think tank, added to the gloom. The Treasury’s old figures, not revised in a year said Brexit would make us £36 billion a year poorer by 2032 and it is now looking worse than that . A no-deal exit would cost at least £45 billion.....
This surely is not what you and your Hard Exit team thought you were choosing. This is not what you were promised in last year’s set of deceptions by your spiritual brethren Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Nigel Farage (all of whom are now very much quieter ...)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4ac6eb5e-4b98-11e7-8b46-aeb9dec902699_

Mon dieu !! Nous sommes doomed!!!! Nous sommes tout doomed!!!

The OP's ability to argue her case well when others put forward an alternative view point is as strong as ever I see

I have been well and truly won over Bearbehind.

It seems your paranoia over a Soft Brexit was well founded OP- looks like your not getting your Hard Brexit anymore!

What will Soft Brexit entail?

You've been told that several times on here but it doesn't really matter anyway- the point is it's not what you want but it's now likely to be what you get.

It begs the question what was the point doesn't it?

We are in this fucking mess because of the arrogance of TM, maybe people will start to wind their neck in a bit now and realise people won't accept heading blindly into the unknown without any answers.

I don't recall an answer from you BearBehind

I told you, I can't be arsed answering you as you're not interested in hearing it.

You've said you only want to here what soft Brexit is in order to point out its flaws and gloat because it's not going to happen.

That's backfired now because it is looking like that is exactly what will happen.

It clear there is no mandate for a Hard Brexit or 'no deal is better than a bad deal' so it's all about damage limitation now.

Hear not here

the point is it's not what you want but it's now likely to be what you get.

I may not have been what you wanted OP but it was what you voted for, an exit from the EU.

Does anyone know what the DUP's stance is on hard/soft Brexit though? I listened to Arlene Foster's speech today (and that's a name I never thought I would be posting on here!) and paraphrasing she mentioned with regard to leaving the EU that she wanted what was best for Ireland (which I imagine would be venturing towards soft) but did make a specific reference to what is best for the U.K. as a whole in light of the terrorist activities recently (which could be taken as maybe a more hard Brexit approach).

Speculating massively, but we could end up with hard Brexit and a much weaker government position.

Interesting times.

www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/who-dup-brexit-stance-manifesto-13161338
Softer than May's - no hard boarder with Northern Ireland - the only way I can see that happening is through some way of staying in the single market, or some kind of special deal which the EU is disinclined to make.

Today 09:05 Bearbehind

I told you, I can't be arsed answering you
So you keep coming on to a thread with a question in the title to say repeatedly "I can't be arsed answering you"

You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Thanks very much for that link theworld it gives a good insight on where they stand and what they would like to achieve with regards Brexit.

I have loads of questions buzzing around but, for fear of massively derailing OP, I think I will start a new thread (but maybe when I am slightly less sleep deprived and can put a coherent paragraph together )

Not so much a case of having lots of time on my hands OP, simply relishing watching you beginning to realise you aren't going to get what you want, we're all going to be screwed and there's bugger all you can do about it- despite you thinking you were Billy Big Bollocks for wanting 'hard Brexit'

OP if you listen to the chancellor's mansion house speech today, you might finally start to get the answer to your question.

I suspect it means prioritising jobs, stability and economic growth over immigration and 'taking back control' and seeing what you can achieve if you enter into a negotiation on this basis.

The Mansion house speech has been either cancelled or postponed. I don't know which. It wouldn't have looked good with Hammond schmoozing with the wealthy whilst a section of the poor of the same city have been killed in a fire. In a weathly Tory borough which was warned that the tower block was a potential death trap.

And who knows - Theresa Strong and Stable Mayhem rather has form for doing U-turns. What is to say she won't cancel Brexit?

The OP only started this thread to be nasty towards remain votes. I don't suppose she (or he) will be back.