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Brexit

What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

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optionalrationale · 25/05/2017 18:07

Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

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optionalrationale · 26/05/2017 21:44

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optionalrationale · 26/05/2017 21:59

So the really interesting thing here is why are Remainers so reticent to say what a Soft Brexit would be...hmm. ..let me think......

No. Nope.. I am just not getting it. So, fakenamefornow, kaija, Bearbehind and others let me make it really, really easy for you...

Soft Brexit....

Would it still entail:

  1. Potential for unlimited EU migration through the free movement of labour? Y/ N
  2. Membership of the Single Market? Y/ N
  3. Membership of the Custom's Union? Y/ N
  4. Still having to comply with EU regulations? Y/ N
  5. Still paying billions into EU Budgets? Y / N

So just five questions, each of which can easily be answered with a yes or no - to help you answer the question ... What exactly is a Soft Brexit?

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lonelyplanetmum · 26/05/2017 21:59

What are you saying here thanks

It was just the use of the word hubris down thread Acquile ...

Hubris-excessive pride, self importance,feeling of superiority or dangerous over confidence identified earlier as a factor in the desire from many for a Hard Brexit. In Greek tragedy this is followed by....

Nemesis- downfall, retribution or punishment.So all the negatives... the net impact of loss of £38 billion to £66 billion per year driven by the smaller size of the economy. Reduction in overseas students worth over £10.7 billion annually, loss of NHS Staff and those in uni jobs,fruit pickers, reduction in 9,000 financial services jobs, half of the investment banks, insurers, asset management firms including 4,000 jobs at Deutsche Bank, 1,500 at UBS and 1,000 jobs at each of Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and HSBC etc etc.(See EY and FT 'Brexit tracker')

Catharsis- a state of moral or spiritual, cleansing. Perhaps long term the catharsis could be remorse from the Hard Brexiteers regarding any feelings of superiority and xenophobia. A cathartic realisation of the 40 years peace and prosperity we achieved as core members within the EU sharing its $16.6 trillion market. Perhaps the catharsis is a moral shift to a humble acknowledgment of the boost that membership brought to our culture,environment and economy.

Of course better not to have triggered the tragedy at all.
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optionalrationale · 26/05/2017 22:05

Permission for lower lip to quiver please lonelyplanetmum

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Kaija · 26/05/2017 22:06

"You might have messed the TITLE of the thread....
What exactly is a Soft Brexit"?"

Ah but a thread isn't just a title is it? Your subsequent posts tell the real story.

Bearbehind · 26/05/2017 22:07

FFS, are you still going OP?

You've made it more than clear that you want to hear from people who are still hoping for a soft Brexit for no other reason than to gloat.

You might think you are Billy Big Bollocks now but I can virtually guarantee it will end in massive disappointment at best and outright hardship at worst.

If you want to prove otherwise then crack on.

If you can tell us how TM's plan is going swimmingly - feel free.

She called this GE with the arrogant notion she'd walk it- trouble is, her facade is slipping by the second, along with her margin.

I don't doubt she'll still win but her credibility is massively diminisihed and it's becoming more than clear she has no fucking clue how this is all going to work out.

fakenamefornow · 26/05/2017 22:08

Soft Brexit could be Yes to all of your questions.

We would still be out of the EU though, which is what you voted for, so, happy days for you.

MariafromMalmo · 26/05/2017 22:38

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RandomlyGenerated · 26/05/2017 22:38

It's ironic that Brexit will be the Greek tragedy (rather than Grexit).

Perhaps TM needs to keep a wary eye out for eagles and tortoises. That new hair do looks suspiciously like a misshapen lump of rock.

acquilegiannie · 27/05/2017 00:07

To those who presumed that I have no idea about Greek tragedies, well there is arrogance for a start lol.

Anyway, I do not want any fight, there is much of that to come, but our dear leaders will fight on our behalf. Therefore we can sit back safe in the knowledge that.....

Just keep an eye on Michel Barnier. And forget about Junker the Drunker.

It is the quiet ones you need to watch.

lonelyplanetmum · 27/05/2017 06:05

Why specifically ask a poster to explain what they are saying, and then suggest it's arrogant to explain? HmmMy comp didn't teach Greek tragedy either but I just research stuff.

lonelyplanetmum · 27/05/2017 07:07

.....the EU decided not to do the pick me dance.If the UK/EU relationship were posted to the Relationships board people would tell her how strong and classy [the EU] is...

This. Yes. This.

It's not only a Greek tragedy, we are the DH in mid-life crisis who is following the Hard Brexit script.

UK says-I've never loved you, and we should never have gotten married. ( Failing to remember the original reasons for marrying, and the immense benefits marriage brought.)
^
Lesson 1 - Monstrification of Your Spouse :This is easy to accomplish. Simply think of only the "bad" things that your spouse has done throughout your entire relationship.....just remember how bad she always makes you feel. DO NOT under any circumstances remember fondly your spouse, or anything they have done for you. Remember, they are going to be the cause of all of your problems, so it is imperative that you convince your self of this first.^

Trump is the OW of course.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1634754-Men-affairs-what-is-the-script

Theworldisfullofidiots · 27/05/2017 07:12

People were right at the beginning of the thread OptiinalRationale . You did turn into a goady fucker.

lonelyplanetmum · 27/05/2017 08:11

I'm probably rising to it,to be fair.

Whichever way you look at it,mid-life crisis relationship breakdown or Greek tragedy,the end result is the same.

optionalrationale · 27/05/2017 08:41

Yesterday 22:06 Kaija

"You might have missed the TITLE of the thread....
What exactly is a Soft Brexit"?"

Ah but a thread isn't just a title is it? Your subsequent posts tell the real story

OK. The real story is ...Very few people in favour of a "Soft Brexit" are willing or able to say what exactly that would involve...Eventually, you will discover what "Soft Brexit means is Remain without a seat at the table"

No wonder Timmy is doing so well.

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optionalrationale · 27/05/2017 08:44

Yesterday 22:38 MariafromMalmo

Nobody is making the UK do this you know. The EU didn't kick you out - you chose to walk away

Maria, are you a British citizen?

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optionalrationale · 27/05/2017 09:01

In addition to learning that Remainers can't or won't explain what a Soft Brexit is, we've also learned they love their highly colourful and emotive analogies... This one from MariafromMalmo has got to be the best..

If the U.K./EU relationship were posted to the Relationships board people would tell her how strong and classy she is and that she had dodged a bullet.Grin

For some reason I am picturing a drunk Junkers (not difficult or indeed unusual), looking wistfully into the middle distance in "a strong and classy way", writing poems in a leather bound journal, buying another motivational fridge magnet, losing some weight, getting a new hair-do, going out on the pull with her equally "strong and classy" girlfriends and then leading the dancing to "I will survive".

But then she's back in her Bridget Jones flat.....back on the vodka (again not unusual), mascara stained cheeks....belting out I can't live if living is without EU into her hairbrush.

Thanks for making my day!!

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lonelyplanetmum · 27/05/2017 09:02

Optionalé have you had your DNA profile done?

optionalrationale · 27/05/2017 09:07

Yesterday 22:07 Bearbehind

FFS, are you still going OP?

Er yes...I started the thread. I thought it was bad form on MN to start a thread and walk away.

Why are you still here?
You have already said that you won't or can't answer the question posed in the the title. I get that you don't think it is relevant or realistic ( I agree with you on this point by the way).

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optionalrationale · 27/05/2017 09:08

To lonelymum - No

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MariafromMalmo · 27/05/2017 09:24

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Kaija · 27/05/2017 09:33

"..Very few people in favour of a "Soft Brexit" are willing or able to say what exactly that would involve...Eventually, you will discover what "Soft Brexit means is Remain without a seat at the table" "

Odd that the op just keeps repeating arguments to Remain. He/she seemed like such a diehard Brexiteer.

fakenamefornow · 27/05/2017 09:43

Still don't really understand what you're problem with a 'soft' Brexit is anyway. You would have got what you voted for, which is the UK out of the EU. If you're unhappy or worried about the outcome maybe you should have voted remain.

optionalrationale · 27/05/2017 09:52

You are actually the most straightforward Remainer here fakenamefornow. You tell it like it is. After the campaign, afer the Referendum result, after the Gina Miller legal challenge, after the vote by MPs, after the triggering of Article 50, "Soft Brexit" is the Remainers' final hope of clinging into the EU.

It ain't gonna happen

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