What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

[optionalrationale]

Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

Peregrina: I don't understand why we are even considering leaving organisations like Euratom, as you say they are not EU bodies so wouldn't even affect the negotiations as far as I can tell. The only possible benefit would be if we wanted to massively roll back safety regs, which is not much of a benefit in my eyes! Leaving the ECHR could also have big implications for intelligence sharing.

I must admit Mistigri to being a tad confused...
Just earlier you said...

Today 08:50 Mistigri
I am not personally in favour of any of the options and don't feel obliged to argue in favour of them.

Now you're saying I'll put forward this version of soft brexit as my preferred option

So you used to be indecisive but now you're not so sure? Wait, I get it you're really Timmy. It all makes sense now!

Can you summarise what exactly you are in favour of? If you are?

Oh ok, I see this thread was started for basic trolling, not for debate. Should have guessed.

As you were.

Today 10:09 squishysquirmy
Leaving the ECHR could also have big implications for intelligence sharing

Why? The Americans are not in ECHR but we share intelligence with them all the time. The fact they then decide to pas it all on toThe New York Times is another matter

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Today 09:29 Bearbehind

I'm not falling for that one optional. You don't actually believe soft Brexit is an option in any form so your purpose here is to dismiss everything and say we won you lost, get over it

But thanks for proving my point. Softies (Former Remainers now in favour of a mythical Soft Brexit) are, in the main, unwilling or unable to articulate what that would mean

BTW I would absolutely love it if MN bans the term "Softies" -a site that allows all manner of swear words ...but please don't upset the Snowflakes whatever you do.

you are just as stupid as you sound

Come and play Remainer Bingo right here. If you question us, you must be
- Stupid
- Racist
- Old

You don't get it, optional. People aren't calling you stupid because you're a Leaver, they're calling you stupid for entirely different reasons, mostly to do with your goady fuckery, I expect.

Today 09:50 Peregrina
Farage himself extolled the Norway model, don't forget

Can you post a link or video to where he proposes retaining Freedom of Movement, continuing to pay into Eurocrats €850,000 average pension, continuing to comply with EU regulations but only losing out voting rights on the EU Council and losing our one seat on the EU Comission?

I really don't understand why you're still here twofingers...but yet again proving the point that you personally are unable or unwilling to provide any specifics to the question *What exactly is a Soft Brexit".

For new comers to the thread, we have only had one clear answer so far from "fakenamefornow" who had the courage to say "Soft Brexit" = The Norway Model...basically Remain but with no seat at the table and even less influence than you had before

Today 09:25 MickeyRooney
a soft brexit will be exactly like the "soft landing" that they talked about in 2007, as recession loomed

Who's "they"?

His name is "Juncker". Jean-Paul Juncker. The fact that you can't even spell his name speaks volumes.

yet again proving the point that you personally are unable or unwilling to provide any specifics to the question *What exactly is a Soft Brexit".

Bloody hell, optional. Critical thinking not your strong point, is it? My input proves nothing of the sort. If anything, it 'proves' that I'm not going to waste time engaging in serious argument with a GF. Do you ever ask yourself why your threads always go the same way?

Good news!
Katie Hopkins to leave LBC 'immediately'.
Another GF bites the dust.

His name is "Juncker". Jean-Paul Juncker. The fact that you can't even spell his name speaks volumes.

She also can't spell Tim Farron's name.

Who's Timmy, Optional? Why is he popping up in your arguments suddenly?

Today 09:33 Kaija
What is soft Brexit? It's what was promised by Leavers before the ref

Not by me. I have always said there is no Soft or Hard Brexit. There is either Remain or Leave (which was the choice the British people were given on 23rd June 2016). We chose. I am happy.

I would not be happy if the politicians now say "Brexit kinda sorta means Remain in all to all intents and purposes...We won't officially be members of the EU any more but we will still have to pay them billions and have no control on the numbers of EU migrants and no seat at the table"....

I can't see that winning much support at the GE...Is that why Timmy doesn't havr the balls to come out and say it out right? 8% is still admirable though. Keep up the great work.

Sorry cross post twofingers!

Although he still seems to be featuring heavily...

Why wouldn't you be happy, optional? What exactly is it that would bother you about it?

Have you read it?

Yes. I don't agree with the Flexcit plan (this goes without saying: I'm a remainer) but Richard North and his associates are the only brexiters to have done their homework and whatever you think of their plan, there is much objectively useful information in it.

I'm also a regular reader of Richard North's associated blog, which is also interesting and useful even though I fundamentally disagree with his position (again: obviously, since he is a Brexiter and I am a remainer).

My preferred brexit is no brexit. But if we have to have a brexit, then I would prefer a properly planned brexit strategy written by someone with command of the technical detail. There is absolutely nothing inconsistent about this.

Today 11:06 twofingerstoEverything

His name is "Juncker". Jean-Paul Juncker. The fact that you can't even spell his name speaks volumes..

A thousand pardons. Here's a deal... I'll stop calling him Junkers and the other one Timmy, if you share your personal view / recommendation as to what specifically a Soft Brexit would entail

Are you up for it?

Today 11:09 Mistigri

Q: Have you read it?
A: Yes

Great. Give us the summary in your own words. What exactly would a "Soft Brexit" entail? Be specific now since you've read the wonderful document you're such a fan of.

I'll bite, as I was the one picking holes in your spelling.

To my mind, a soft Brexit would entail continued membership of the EEA, staying in EURATOM and continuing to contribute to the budget. We would leave the European Union, as 37% of UK citizens and 2/4 countries of the U.K. Voted for last June, and remain part of the hundreds of EU agencies we currently participate in, even as an observer. The Prime Minister would rediscover a spirit of diplomacy and co-operation with the EU27 heads of state. The four freedoms would remain in place and our regulatory standards would not fall. Please let me know if I haven't covered any specific areas you care about particularly.

Today 11:08 CeciledeVolanges
Why wouldn't you be happy, optional? What exactly is it that would bother you about it?

About what? The Norway option? Because it is actually "Remain in all but name". I voted to Leave.

That isn't exact, though. What would bother you about your day-to-day life? What were you looking for out of Leaving that wouldn't happen, since we would be out of the EU? What would you notice that wouldn't be different?

Or, to flip it around, what would you notice about "Remaining in all but name" that makes an actual difference in your day to day life?