What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

[optionalrationale]

Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

Great. Give us the summary in your own words.

Why? Do you have issues with reading comprehension, or are you just lazy?

If 387 pages is too much of a challenge for you, just read the conclusion (from p379).

Today 11:16 CeciledeVolanges

I'll bite

Thank you Cecile. You're only the second person to put forward any specifics. Let's examine them in turn shall we?

To my mind, a soft Brexit would entail continued membership of the EEA
A condition of this would be Free Movement of Labour. So we would continue to have no control on numbers of EU migrants.

staying in EURATOM and continuing to contribute to the budget.
OK

We would leave the European Union, as 37% of UK citizens and 2/4 countries of the U.K. Voted for last June,
Democracy really sucks don't it?

and remain part of the hundreds of EU agencies we currently participate in, even as an observer.
So basically continue as we were, paying 12% of the overall EU budget but now only as an "observer". Yes, yes, very attractive. Very attractive indeed.

The Prime Minister would rediscover a spirit of diplomacy and co-operation with the EU27 heads of state.
And who better to give her lessons on diplomacy than Junkers? Who chose to leak details of a private dinner with the German press? Classy.

The four freedoms would remain in place
Schools, hospitals and doctors surgeries across the country would continue to bear the burden of unlimited numbers of EU migrants from ,uch poorer economies in the south and east of Europe.

and our regulatory standards would not fall
Unelected Eurocrats would still be able to dictate the wattage of vacuum cleaners, hairdryers etc, etc. Even though it has been shown time and time again that such regulations have an impact opposite to the one intended...if you dictate lower power machines, people actually end up using them for longer. A bit like their dictat on the sale of incandescent bulbs and thr resulting massive increase in the amount of mercury entering the soil and the water table. So we will ALL the joy of complying with such regulations but have zero influence over them.

Please let me know if I haven't covered any specific areas you care about particularly.

You did a wonderful, wonderful job Cecile. You're an absolute lovely. Thanks a million, hun.

Democracy really sucks don't it?
GOADY

You did a wonderful, wonderful job Cecile. You're an absolute lovely. Thanks a million, hun.
VERY, VERY GOADY.

I thought the detail was that I set out details and you would spell "Juncker" correctly?

And elective dictatorship, a restricted franchise, untrammelled majoritarianism, lies on the side of buses, the effect of Cambridge analytics and Lynton Crosby on political discourse, and the acceptance of propaganda put forwards by the right wing press as "political fact"? Yes, all of those really suck.

Sorry, I forgot disenfranchisement and disaffection resulting from the pernicious effects of first past the post.

Today 11:19 CeciledeVolanges

That isn't exact, though. What would bother you about your day-to-day life? What were you looking for out of Leaving that wouldn't happen, since we would be out of the EU? What would you notice that wouldn't be different?

Er...where to begin

1. Billions and billions of British taxpayers money would continue to flow out of the UK to Brussels
2. We would still have no control over the unlimited numbers of EU migrants able to move to the UK
3. We would still have unlected Eurocrats imposing regulations on us
4. It would basically be "Remain" but with even less power and influence than we have today. We wouldn't even have a veto as we would no longer have voting rights.

Sorry, optional, I hadn't realised that you noticed those things in your day to day life and they actually affected you directly. You must be employed by the EU, a civil servant or perhaps an MEP to be so directly involved in the minutiae of EU structures.

Today 11:43 twofingerstoEverything

You give "two fingers to Everything" but you keep comimg back here because you're wounded by my being apparently "goady"???

Every single time you pass comment here without addressing he question, What specifically is a Soft Brexit? you're simply proving that you are either
A) unable or
B) unwilling
To say exactly what this would mean. Fine by me.

I'm surprised, as you seem to enjoy being sarcastic to those who are replying in detail so much

Today 12:03 CeciledeVolanges
I thought the detail was that I set out details and you would spell "Juncker" correctly

Sorry. That deal was for twofingerstoEverything not you. He/she is the one who is particularly offended by my smelling pistakes of a Eurocrat's name but continually proves that he/she unwilling or unable to say exactly what a Soft Brexit would entail

Today 12:38 CeciledeVolanges
I'm surprised, as you seem to enjoy being sarcastic to those who are replying in detail so much

Thankfully Timmy and Junkers are going to ban sarcasm on tinterwebs.

Today 12:24 MariafromMalmo
There no such thing as Soft Brexit

100% agree. I wonder if twofingerstoEverything will repeat that line 20 times.

"1) Billions and billions of British taxpayers money would continue to flow out of the UK to Brussels
2) We would still have no control over the unlimited numbers of EU migrants able to move to the UK
3) We would still have unlected Eurocrats imposing regulations on us
4) It would basically be "Remain" but with even less power and influence than we have today. We wouldn't even have a veto as we would no longer have voting rights."

Great to see that some leavers are not only acknowledging "project fear" to be reality but are adopting it as their own mantra. Tragic that they are able to propose no credible alternative.

Today 12:24 MariafromMalmo

Optional, I think you have already said that there is no economic outcome that is "bad" for you.
Er, when, where in the course of human events have I said that exactly?

Certainly you agreed that, for you, a reduction of per capita GDP to below that of Poland would be acceptable if it also eliminates immigration

When / where did I "agree" that? I thought your great leader, Junkers had said it was the Brits who were in a different galaxy??

Today 12:48 Kaija

Great to see that some leavers are not only acknowledging "project fear" to be reality but are adopting it as their own mantra.
Not quite. Just pointing out the utter fallacy of "Soft Brexit" - which should really be called "Kinda Sorta Remain".

Tragic that they are able to propose no credible alternative
Yes we can..It's called Brexit. Not hard. Not Soft. Just Brexit. I hope we end up with the Canada model (not in the single market, reduced tariffs through a negotiated deal, Canada and the EU can trade without free movement of labour, Canada is not in the customs union, Canada is not required to pay billions into EU budgets).

Please don't drag me down to your level. I can point sarcasm out without also advocating for it to be banned, just as I am happy to engage in discussion instead of insisting that everyone "come together" behind my point of view without dissent or objection.

Also, twofingers was quoting me. I corrected your spelling :)

It means that we can eat Baguette once a month instead of Braces every day.

My preferred brexit is no brexit. But if we have to have a brexit, then I would prefer a properly planned brexit strategy written by someone with command of the technical detail. There is absolutely nothing inconsistent about this.

This.

The UK wants hard Brexit, that's what they want, that's what they will get. (And that is what they would live to rue

I think you may be right. I think for some it will not matter if they feel democratically represented, or banks are hit hard, or if the fishing industry can cough and splutter back to life, or if immigration can be controlled, or whatever their personal bug-bear is.

Whatever their reasons a democracy has spoken. For my part I am now far more annoyed by, and kind of disgusted by my fellow voters who voted Remain and now think they can stamp their feet and override democracy, even blatantly say that certain other classes of people shouldn't be allowed to vote. People have voted ffs, they VERY OBVIOUSLY want properly out of the EU and that is what has to happen.

We should have no second referendum until we've implemented what people voted for, an exit from the EU. If we did repeat the referendum I would voting Leave, because I've had enough of this awfulness.

We're already dealing with freedom of movement in our own inimitable way - albeit at a cost to our own ability to move freely. The 5,000 fall in the number of EU migrant workers - mainly polish - is just the start. Temporary migration, working overseas and saving for a future in your own country, makes zero sense when that country has a weaker currency than your own.

This is a result of sorts.

"Not quite."

Actually, that is exactly what you are doing. All of your arguments against soft Brexit precisely mirror Remainers' warnings pre-ref. And they were described as "project fear". What changed?

Pre ref, I remember a few conversations (in real life, mumsnet, and on the radio) that went something like:

Brexiteer: "Leaving the EU doesn't have to affect trade - We could have a Norway style agreement."
Remainer: "But then we would still have to pay something into the EU, and would have to follow some of the regulations without any say on what those regulations were"
Brexiteer: "PROJECT FEAR!!!"