What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

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Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

Today 07:43 FenellaMaxwellsPony
You break up with a longterm boyfriend. It was your decision. You are tied to a mortgage and neither of you can afford to move out at the moment. Plus you have shared friends, and a dog

I get that you like colouful analogies.. what the threas is asking for are the
specifics of what proponents of a Soft Brexit are proposing - e.g. with regard to

• Membership of the single market
• "Access" to the single market (yes it is different)
• Membership of the Customs Union
• Free Movement
• Contribution to EU Budgets

The growing sense I get is that Remainers want to hide behind a vague notion of very reasonable sounding "compromise" is that the reality is "Soft Brexit means Kinda Sorta Remain" - I.e the status quo but with even less influence than we had before.

My children grew out of that sort of behaviour by the time they were three. How old are you?
Coming from the person who refers to 'project poopy pants' with no irony at all and whose posts regularly descend into the most childish, trivial arguments...

I'm 91 by the way. Why? How old are you?

My children grew out of that sort of behaviour by the time they were three. How old are you?
Coming from the person who refers to 'project poopy pants' with no irony at all and whose posts regularly descend into the most childish, trivial arguments...

I'm 91 by the way. Why? How old are you?

Today 07:52 Mistigri
If you want a soft to hard spectrum, it would look like

1. EEA + EU CU (resolves most practical issues with brexit but probably unacceptable politically)
2. EEA without CU (doesn't resolve issues with Ireland and channel ports)
3. Swiss model with ad hoc participation in the single market (not enough time to negotiate)
4. FTA completely outside EEA/EFTA (good luck with that; you've got 15 months and a lead weight called David Davis)
5. Chaotic brexit with (at best) reversion to WTO terms

Of the options above, which one are Softies proposing?

Twofingers
Noone is forcing you to read or contribute. It is not compulsory

It's 's not compulsory to start one goady thread after another, either. You have a lot of form for this and have had threads deleted for this very reason.
More recent posters might not know this, so not a bad thing to point it out.

Don't be disappointed, optional, but I have to go out now and won't be able to fill your goady thread with bollocks. I'm sure you'll manage to do that all by yourself, though.

For those coming recently to thread, and thanks again Twofingerstoeverything for driving traffic , the question is
What specifically are proponents of a Soft Brexit proposing?

It is becoming clear that
a) Softies will do anything to avoid the question
b) When they do answer it.... Soft Brexit means Remain but with even less influence than we had before

Here's a typical response so far...

Q: what would that entail wrt to e.g.

• membership of the customs union
• access to the single market
• freedom of movement

A: Yesterday 21:29 Figmentofmyimagination

It's not my concern what it entails. I expect the government of this country not to undertake a course of action that results in economic harm to most people in this country. If it means all three things, so be it.

So, Soft Brexit would mean....

• Still paying billions into EU budgets
• Still having no control over EU migration into the UK
• Still having to comply with all EU regulations
• No longer having any MEPS, no voting rights on the EU Council, losing our one EU Commissioner.

Are you calling the flexcit group "softies"? If so, you could go and read their manifesto, or the (very interesting) blog run by long-time Eurosceptic Richard North at

eureferendum.com/Default.aspx

I am not personally in favour of any of the options that I listed and don't feel obliged to argue in favour of them.

By the way, it's gratuitous insults like "softies" which makes us think you're either a goady fucker or a troll.

It is becoming clear that
a) Softies will do anything to avoid the question

You make comments like this just to provoke - you are blatantly a goady fucker with no interest in hearing genuine responses.

Twofingers I thought TAAT was bad form on MN? But I get it, one rule for the nasty goady Leavers and another for the oh so precious, delicate Remainers.

Since you brought it up...
FYI my one thread that was deleted asked the question if
"If you hate the term Brexit means Brexit, what's your alternative?"

Apparently there's nothing more potent to get a Remainer hot under the collar than asking them to explain their position.

If we ended up with a Norway style deal, including the four freedoms, we'd still be out of the EU so what's your problem? You would have got what you voted for. There was no more detail on the ballot paper, it was just In or Out. We would be out, so you can crack open the champagne and stfu.

Anyone who is a "remainer" has a clear position, no? Only one way of remaining.

Brexiters OTOH are much less clear about what they want.

The only group to have put out a clear, costed and detailed exposition of what Brexit should look like and how that could occur are the Flexcit group to whom I referred above. I don't agree with them (I'm a remainer, after all) but theirs is the least-worst option.

eureferendum.com/Default.aspx

Today 08:55 Bearbehind

You are blatantly a goady fucker with no interest in hearing genuine responses

What is your response? I don't recall seeing one from you

And please be specific with respect to

• Free movement
• Customs Union
• Contribution to EU budgets
• Compliance with EU regulations

Are you willing or able to share a concrete proposal for Soft Brexit?

OK, I'll put forward this version of soft brexit as my preferred option.

Come back in a few days once you've read and absorbed it.

www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf

I think the Op is Paul Nuttall.

Paul, just make yourself a nice cup of tea, grab a jammy dodger. Celebrate with a pint.go brag down the pub. Or whatever makes you happy but please cheer up. You have won after all.

And quite frankly if you still can't make the difference between a soft Brexit and a hard Brexit, either you can't read properly or you are just as stupid as you sound... Hold on, have I got this wrong, Katie, is that you?

Getting somewhere... the first person to give a clear answer to *What would a Soft Brexit actually mean...

Thank you Today 09:01 fakenamefornow

If we ended up with a Norway style deal, including the four freedoms, we'd still be out of the EU so what's your problem? You would have got what you voted for. There was no more detail on the ballot paper, it was just In or Out. We would be out, so you can crack open the champagne and stfu.

Nice tone btw... But thanks for the first clear and unequivocal answer

Soft Brexit means the Norway Option

So basically, exactly where we are now (when it comes to e.g. no control of numbers of migrants, still paying billions to the EU budgets, still havimg to comply with every EU regulation ), but with even less influence than we had before.

Yes, yes, I can really see how that would go down well with the British electorate. No wonder Timmy is simply soaring in the opinion polls -magnificently breaking through the 8% barrier.

I repeat: there is a very clear outline of a soft(ish) brexit here. 400 pages of it! Happy reading.

www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf

a soft brexit will be exactly like the "soft landing" that they talked about in 2007, as recession loomed.
as it turned out - it was like a nuclear bomb had been dropped.
this will be the same.
prepare yourself.

I'm not falling for that one optional

You don't actually believe soft Brexit is an option in any form so your purpose here is to dismiss everything and say 'we won you lost, get over it'

It's a very predictable and boring habit of yours.

Enjoy.

What is soft Brexit? It's what was promised by Leavers before the ref, as opposed to the hard Brexit that remainers warned might become inevitable once the having your cake and eating it option fell apart. But that was just project fear, wasn't it?

Short memories these Brexiteers have.

ECHR, Euratom, - neither of which are EU bodies, so the sensible thing would be to admit that our Supreme Leader made a mistake on this one.

Farage himself extolled the Norway model, don't forget.

LittleMissCrappy
you are just as stupid as you sound

Come and play Remainer Bingo right here. If you question us, you must be

• Stupid
• Racist
• Old

One down... let's see how long it takes.

Today 09:06 Mistigri
OK, I'll put forward this version of soft brexit as my preferred option. Come back in a few days once you've read and absorbed it.

Have you read it?