What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

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Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

Yesterday 14:18 Kaija
Where did I say I was a supporter of soft Brexit? I didn't want any Brexit

I have far more respect for your candour and honesty than anyone peddling the notion of "Soft Brexit".

"Soft Brexit" is mainly "sold" by people who (in reality) don't want any kind of Brexit at all. It is proposed by people who have still not fully come to terms with

1. Their loss in the June 23rd, 2016 Referendum
2. The overwhelming vote by MPs (despite them successful Gina Miller high court challenge)
3. The triggering of Article 50

Talk of a "Soft Brexit" is now (hopefully) the very last ditch, clutching at straws attempt to keep us in all but name. It will be "sold" by people saying "Look, you got EXACTLY what you asked for! You no longer have an EU passport! Run along now!"

What they won't want you to dwell upon is the fact all those Eurocrats in Brussels will still have all the power to
a) People from 27 other countries to live and work in the UK in unlimited numbers (without giving a shit what this means for you getting school place for your child, accommodation, a doctor's appointment, an ambulance, a hospital bed).
b) Demand billions of UK taxpayers money to pay for the incompetent, unnecessary, corrupt and bureaucratic institution that is the EU - including the (on average) €850,000 pensions of retired Eurocrats.
c) Impose any regulation upon us

We've been through all this. Everything you are saying about soft Brexit was just Project Fear, remember? Leavers were very clear on this point.

But we don't believe in Project Fear. The people have spoken. It's all going to be fine now and "absolutely nobody is threatening our place in the single market". Sunlit uplands. Soft Brexit means Soft Brexit.

This is good, more of you are joining fakenamefornow, twofingerstoeverything, coming out to be a tad less shy about what "Soft Brexit" would mean in reality....nothing more than a purely cosmetic change .

From my point of view, if you don't like my stance - TOUGH. I voted Remain. Being in the EEA would not be Remain, but would be a workable compromise.

By all means carry on making yourself look extremely foolish, OR.

Today 20:05 annandale

I entirely agree with you OR that I don't believe most leavers voted for that. Some undoubtedly did though, and said so (Hannan for one)

That is a more honest position than shouting that the Norway deal is EXACTLY what Leavers asked for.

Leavers voted to not be in the EU. Norway is not in the EU. What's the problem?

That is a more honest position than shouting that the Norway deal is EXACTLY what Leavers asked for.

No one has said that it's EXACTLY what Leavers voted for. They have said that it's one of the Leave options. You may yet get this. Theresa May hasn't exactly been consistent, so it's anyone's guess.

Today 20:35 Kaija

Soft Brexit means Soft Brexit
Did any Leave supporters (prior to June 23rd 2016) who ever use this phrase to include
a) unlimited EU migration
b) continuing to pay billions into EU coffers
c) continuing to be subject to EU regulations

No they called it Project Fear.

They said we could have our cake and eat it. You're not seriously telling me now that's not true?

I am shocked, shocked.

OP, you can try as hard as you like to blindside people from the consequences of Brexit but it's all becoming apparent anyway.

Despite your paranoia, which drives you to post shite like this over and over again, the reality is time is telling its own tale.

People aren't going to be happy with just FREEDOM.

Today 20:42 Peregrina
No one has said that it's EXACTLY what Leavers voted for.

Today 19:05 twofingerstoEverything
Norway is definitely not a member of the EU. So if we ended up with that sort of deal, you would be getting EXACTLY what you voted for

Kaija
"Soft Brexit means Soft Brexit"
Did any Leave supporters (prior to June 23rd 2016) who ever use this phrase to include
a) unlimited EU migration
b) continuing to pay billions into EU coffers
c) continuing to be subject to EU regulations

Look, I know Leavers struggle with facts (as you have clearly demonstrated) Norway is NOT in the EU. You can argue untill the cows come home that it is or it's the same as being in the EU or if we had the same module we would still be in the EU or same as, but you are wrong.

That is a more honest position than shouting that the Norway deal is EXACTLY what Leavers asked for

Nobody has said it's exactly what Leavers asked for. The only thing Leavers asked for was to be out of the EU, a Norway style deal would deliver that. Leaving the EU is an open book of outcomes, if you think the X you put in a box next to Leave was voting for the wish list you posted up thread then you are deluded. What was the actual question on the ballot paper, how was it worded? I can't remember but I know none of the things you mentioned was included. Anyway, I don't know why I bother, I know you won't be able to grasp these really simple facts.

Oh, and I haven't once advocated a Norway style deal, if we ended up with one though it would be because you voted Leave not because I voted Remain.

You miss a subtlety OR. As one of the Leave options, it is exactly what some Leavers will have voted for. Whether it's what all Leavers want, no one knows, because no one was asked. Theresa May, assuming she survives as PM, may indeed go and serve this up as an interim measure.

It's exactly what a subset of leavers voted for.

It's really not that hard to understand, is it?

Optional you've copied and pasted the same question twice for some reason. Did you not see my reply?

Today 20:42 Kaija
Leavers voted to not be in the EU. Norway is not in the EU. What's the problem
Thank you, Kaija, for giving me this rare, rare opportunity to point out the problems with the Norway deal...
PROBLEM 1 We would still have unlimited EU migration
PROBLEM 2 We still have to pay billions into EU coffers
PROBLEM 3 We would still be subject to every EU regulation

Optional, remain pointed out all these problems and more before the referendum. Leavers said it was just Project Fear. So it's all going to be fine.

Either that or we were just waay ahead of you. Perhaps you'll come round all the way soon.

Today 21:10 fakenamefornow

Look, I know Leavers struggle with facts (as you have clearly demonstrated) Norway is NOT in the EU.

Correct. But it may as well be because....now wait for it..... wait for it.... all together now...

1. It still has unlimited EU migration
2. It still has to pay billions into EU budets
3. It still has to comply with every EU regulation

Nobody has said it's exactly what Leavers asked for.

Today 19:05 twofingerstoEverything
Norway is definitely not a member of the EU. So if we ended up with that sort of deal, you would be getting EXACTLY what you voted for

Project Fear.

And why is it that you keep ignoring replies and copying and pasting your own questions again instead? Bit rude don't you think?

It is exactly what Leavers VOTED FOR. The ballot paper said "do you think the United Kingdom should be in the European Union." That is what it said. You cannot claim that the referendum decided any other matter whatsoever or that there is any reason whatsoever for the government to do anything beyond exactly what was voted for.

Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

Perhaps it's worth reminding you what you asked originally. 'Soft Brexit' (which you didn't clarify) doesn't mean Remain. You have had your answer. Why don't you start a thread asking other Leavers what their idea of Brexit is? is that too difficult for you?