What exactly is a "Soft Brexit"?

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Isn't the notion of a "Soft Brexit" just a forlorn hope that "Brexit Somehow Means Remain"?

It is telling that the OP demands answers on her pointless questions about soft Brexit but cannot begin to tell us about how hard Brexit will benefit people.

Total disaster imv.

The cost of it is pointed to pinched taxpayers already.

No wonder the social care issue is on the cards. Has to be for the cost of all the negotiations.

But it's ok No Deal is better than a bad deal. I forgot. But that will be decided after my taxes have been spent already.

I am angry. Thank you.

Maybe if May gets her majority she will do another U-turn and decide to cancel Brexit? Especially if a few of the loony right of her party get cleared out in the GE. Who knows?

Thanks Op! I'm definitely not an idiot!
So I'm reading Steve Hilton's book at the moment (More Human). He was an adviser to David Cameron at one point. He was a chief proponent of leave and guess what he doesn't like this version. He called Mrs May's version 'mean spirited'
So this is the problem, no one will be happy. Not the gardening bloke in my village who voted leave to save the NHS. Not the person I know who voted leave to ensure he low skilled son had a job even though he has a job (although the likely outcome is his job will now be at risk).
And those articulate leave proponents won't be happy as their dream is being delivered by a woman whose only way of working is to control until she has stifled the life out of something.
And the problem was those leave leaders just really didn't have the guts. To them this was like a debate at university that someone turned round to them and said go on yet. They got cold feet because they knew that yes change is needed and one version of that might be to leave the EU (I know it's not perfect even though I voted remain) because they knew that a. The country isn't ready for that kind of change and b. In balance, when reality bites it probably isn't the right thing to do right now.
Idealist are wonderful until implementation and then they realise ideals are not necessarily practical. What we need is an imaginative pragmatist. Unfortunately, we have Theresa May (currently).

Peregrina,

that sounds so cynical on May's part. Just let's see how the wind is blowing and she will bend.

But the cost to all of us is humungous. Not matter the outcome.

So unnecessary and so divisive.

that sounds so cynical on May's part.
Obviously I don't know if that will ever happen, but given the U-turns she has done, it must always be a possibility. A Norway style compromise would be the better of the Brexit options.

Even better IMO would be staying in and making a full-hearted commitment to the EU, including attempted reform. I don't think we'd be alone. I don't call our constant whining for special deals attempts at Reform.

It really does irritate me that the OP starts these goady fucker threads then legs it when the going gets a bit rough i.e., she has to defend her stance.

Pretty much sums up Brexit for me really.

Still waiting for OP's list of ridiculous EU regulations ...

I would like to see one of the leavers start a sensible discussion thread about how they think the lead-up to Brexit negotiations are going, whether there have yet been postiive/negative impacts and what they hope will be the cornerstones of the negotiations. Who do they think should be on the UK's negotiating team - whether this should comprise government reps only or whether it should be cross-party, what their red lines would be and whether they think they're going to get them, etc. A sort of civilised Westminsterenders for Leavers, rather than the load of substanceless goady fuckery that we've seen so far. For example, they could be having a discussion about the fact that UK beaches are currently second from bottom in the EU and the impact that leaving the EU might have in respect of our envionrment. I'm sure they could come up with a wealth of positive facts about why we needn't fear for our environment post-Brexit, but they don't seem to be up for any meaningful discussion about anything Brexit-related.

Me too twofingers

The dividing line between leavers and Remainers seems to boil down to the fact leavers think 'leaving' the EU is the end of the process, Remainers know it's just the beginning.

Yesterday 16:39 fakenamefornow
If we ended up with a Norway style deal you would have got exactly what you voted for, the UK out of the EU

Not "exactly" no.
Norway, while not formally a member of the EU is still subject to
unlimited EU migration
still has to pay into EU budgets
still has to comply with EU regulations

So Norway is not quite in..but to all intents and purposes, may as well be in.

Yesterday 21:33 sodablackcurrant
I am angry. Thank you

I am channelling my anger into mindfulness and expressive dance.

No. Norway is definitely not a member of the EU. So if we ended up with that sort of deal, you would be getting EXACTLY what you voted for.

Today 17:06 Bearbehind
It really does irritate me that the OP starts these goady fucker threads then legs it when the going gets a bit rough

When I participate in thread you say, " FFS Are you still here, OP? You Goady Fucker ".
When I am away for a while because I work, have a life, spend most of my spare time celebrating you criticise me for "legging it".

Which would you prefer? Making you happy matters to me, Bearbehind. It matters a lot.

BTW You don't have to participate if you don't want to. You can just walk away. It's not compulsory.

OP I'dbactually prefer it if you did feck off because every singke one of your threads goes the same way.

As you're back I'd quite like it if you made an attempt at answering the question of what the average person has to look forward to outside the Eu and some examples of the ridiculous EU rules we can ignore are?

Not "exactly" no.

Exactly no. A clear sign is the Passport. Does it say European Union (in Norwegian)? No it does not.

As you are quick to point out, it was a binary choice; your ballot paper, as you seem to need to be reminded, didn't ask what sort of Leave you wanted.

Today 19:05 twofingerstoEverything
No. Norway is definitely not a member of the EU. So if we ended up with that sort of deal, you would be getting EXACTLY what you voted for.

I known that you Remainers are the really sharp and incisive ones so I will be really clear (again ) ...

The Norway deal would not be EXACTLY what I voted for

Because

1. It is not quite in and not quite out
2. It is still subject to unlimited EU migration
3. It still has to pay billions into EU budgets
4. It still has to comply with EU regulations as though it were a member

Shall we make this simple OP?

Can you elaborate on how we will benefit from being exempt from just point 4 of your last post?

Today 19:20 Peregrina

Exactly no. A clear sign is the Passport. Does it say European Union (in Norwegian)? No it does not.

As you are quick to point out, it was a binary choice; your ballot paper, as you seem to need to be reminded, didn't ask what sort of Leave you wanted

This is good, more of you are joining fakenamefornow, twofingerstoeverything, coming out to be a tad less shy about what "Soft Brexit" would mean in reality....nothing more than a purely cosmetic change . All the issues of substance (unlimited EU migration, continuing to pay billions into EU coffers and continuing to have to comply with every EU regulation) would continue as now

1) It is not quite in and not quite out

No. It's definitely NOT in the EU. You can't choose to define in/out to suit yourself. Not a member = not a member. HTH.

Today 19:16 Bearbehind
OP I'dbactually prefer it if you did feck off
You're being a bit of a meany-poo Bearbehind and I am always, always special friendly to you.

As you're back I'd quite like it if you made an attempt at answering the question of what the average person has to look forward to outside the EU.

1. No longer being subject to unlimited numbers of EU migrants
2. No longer having your hard earned taxes being used to pay for the (on average) €850,000 pension for the unelected Eurocrats in Brussels / Strasbourg
3. No longer having your hard earned taxes being used to fund the farce of moving the EU parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg everyday fourth week
4. Having your laws initiated by the people you directly elect
5. Having the power to get rid (through the ballot box) of the Exec level of government if you're not happy with them
6. FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMM!!!!!

and some examples of the ridiculous EU rules we can ignore are

Here's just one. How much do you have to pay for light bulbs now compared with a few years ago? The EU in their infinite wisdom banned the sale of incandescent filament bulbs (which used to cost 49p up to about 99p each). They told you this was to go "Green" with having energy saving bulbs. But the new bulbs are not only up to 10-20 times more expensive, no discernibly longer life, but also many of them release Mercury into the water table and into soil if not disposed of specially. So this is just one example of an EU regulation, which well-intentioned, just ends up costing you a heck of a lot more money.

The lightbulb example is not 'just one example' it's one of the only 2 you can think of (bananas being the other), neither of which even register in the life's of the average person.

You crack on with your inane euphoria.

Deep down you really do know it has absolutely no substance and a lot of people are going to feel far more of a pinch than just the increased price of light bulbs.

Today 19:34 twofingerstoEverything

On Norway - It is not quite in and not quite out

No. It's definitely NOT in the EU

Correct. But (I am typing this s-l-o-w-l-y), it may as well be because...drum roll please... altogether now...

1. It still has to accept unlimited numbers of EU migrants
2. It still has to pay billions into EU coffers including paying for Eurocrats' on average €850,000 pension
3. It still has to comply with every EU regulation

So the Norway deal is shoddy compromise that die-hard Remainers will use to forlornly hope it will still keep us in the EU to all intents and purposes

You're right, it's shit.

And it's still massively preferable to hard Brexit.

It's a deal. By definition that involves compromise. If the compromise we end up with continues to allow free movement of people, payments to the EU and compliance with EU laws regulating trade with the EU, fine, because we will still have the economic benefits of migration, of access to favourable terms of trade with our neighbouring block, and the security benefits of at least some remaining links with EU institutions.

I entirely agree with you OR that I don't believe most leavers voted for that. Some undoubtedly did though, and said so (Hannan for one).