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Westministenders: Theresa's Common People

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2017 13:50

She came from Oxfordshire she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied geography at Saint Hugh's College
That's where politics
Caught her eye

She told them that her husband was loaded
The press barons said "In that case have a rum and coca-cola"
She said "Fine"
And in thirty seconds time she said

I want to look like common people
I want to do whatever common people do
I want to eat like common people
I want to sleep like common people
Like you

Well what else could Fiona and Nick do
They said "We'll see what we can do"

They took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
But they had to start it somewhere
So it started there
They said pretend you've got no money
She just laughed and said
"Oh you're so funny"
They smiled "Yeah”
Well we can't see anyone else smiling in here

Are you sure you want to live like common people
You want to see whatever common people see
You want to eat like common people
You want to sleep like common people
Like me

But she didn't understand
She just smiled and held Trump’s hand

Order that benefits get the chop
Tell them all to get a job
Promise to bring back the grammar school
Pretend you don’t think them a fool
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching the news talking about building the wall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
Whilst you blame it all on the EU
Because that’s all you can do

Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get Brexit through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh about leaving the EU

It’s the most stupid thing that you will do
Because you think that it is cool
You’ll call them a ‘lying foreigner’
But don’t say we didn’t warn you
You’ll regret saying we are better off out
'Cause everybody hates a benefits tourist

It doesn’t matter if you can’t do the math
With all those pockets that you grease
You’ll win the vote in Bath

You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And wish they were all white
So you tell ‘The Big Lie’

Get THE flat above THE shop
Cut your hair and get THE job
Trick some mugs and hire some fool
Pretend you are not really cruel
But still you'll never get it right
Instead you're plotting late at night
About which ‘cockroach’ will take the fall
All have to do is call your mates to fake it all
Yeah

You'll never live like common people
You'll never do what common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
As we plan to leave the EU
Because there's nothing else left to do

But ‘moan’ about how we don’t want to leave the EU.

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2017 17:58

COMRES: Who have the best policies for people like me and my family’:

May and the Tories: 37%
Corbyn and Labour: 42%

Bearbehind · 28/05/2017 18:07

the public still seem to have accepted the idea that May would be a better negotiator.

It's not much of a choice though is it?

It's a bit like asking if you'd prefer to have your arm or your leg chopped off- the preffered option would be neither thanks.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2017 18:08

Nicola Sturgeon shows both Corbyn and May how to handle an interrogation from Andrew Neill. She's spanking them both in terms of performance.

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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 28/05/2017 18:26

I guess it's much easier when nothing actually depends on it.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2017 18:33

The SNP are the only party with a genuinely competent leader.
I can't really judge how good NS is, because the UK party leaders are so dreadful

SwedishEdith · 28/05/2017 18:39

"55% of over 75s think Corbyn's links with the IRA make him a dangerous threat to national security; 49% of over 65s"

I'm actually surprised those figures aren't larger. They mean that 45% of over 75s and 51% of over 65s don't think Corbyn is a dangerous threat to national security.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2017 18:40

Age makes a huge difference in voting preference

YOUGOV

18-24y (change from 1 month ago)
CON 12 (-20)
LAB 69 (+24)

Corbyn's politics seem to have attracted the young - maybe because the 1970s boom & bust, the IRA etc are remote history to them

whereas age 65+
CON 66
LAB 16

Interesting though that LDem and UKIP support doesn't change much with age, but both v small.

SwedishEdith · 28/05/2017 18:40

For under 35s (?), the IRA doesn't really mean anything.

LurkingHusband · 28/05/2017 18:57

For under 35s (?), the IRA doesn't really mean anything.

Am I alone in taking this as a positive ?

I wonder if there is a very real danger that the Tory obsession with the IRA might (again ?!) backfire as it seems regressive and slightly irrelevant - certainly to those too young to know what it was like in the 70s and 80s ??? Maybe we need to worry about the Mau-mau and Bader-Mienhoff too ?

BiglyBadgers · 28/05/2017 19:09

I think you are right lurking. I am under 35 (just about) and I do see it as rather regressive. But the Irish part of my family were republican sympathises, so I was also bought up being taught of the horrific actions of the British and the unionists alongside those of the IRA. I find some of the rhetoric around Corbyn and the IRA concerning as it turns a very complex period of time into black and white soundbites. At a time when Ireland has its own issues going on I really don't think this is helpful at all.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2017 19:38

The 65+ would have been adult , or almost, when the Troubles started, so 30 years of adulthood during which the IRA bombed and killed, usually something in the news every week.
It would have formed hard opinions among many.

I'm 60, so I was 12 and the ruthless murders by the IRA are still vivid.
However, I also remember Bloody Sunday, umpteen other shootings of unarmed civilians, internment and the 5 techniques (torture), the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, ....
worst of all: collusion by British security forces with Loyalist paramilitaries to murder Catholic lawyers and Republicans

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2017 19:42

I found IRA terrorism less scary than some things the state did in NI.
Probably because, as now, the chances of being a terrorist victim are tiny, but the state has far greater power and can reach everyone.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2017 21:03

With Amber Rudd being May's stand-in and having been in the limelight a lot over the last 6 months ...
We might yet get a 3rd woman PM - she looks to have a good chance after May is culled

Peregrina · 28/05/2017 21:11

I wonder what size of majority would lead to May being culled? 20? 40?
It would be even better if she retained the same number - she would definitely be seen as a time and money waster and given the old heave ho.

mathanxiety · 28/05/2017 21:22

I know my Irish relatives in Britain are disgusted right now that the IRA is being dusted off and dragged out as a dog whistle.

They lived through all of the terror too, in London, and they were just as much at risk of being randomly killed as anyone else was. Not only that, but they suffered the stigma of being Irish.

They have been in Britain since the early 60s and they vote.

woman12345 · 28/05/2017 21:48

I found IRA terrorism less scary than some things the state did in NI.

Tarique Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard at the the 7/7 bombings, has called for the internment of radical extremists.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/28/77-met-police-officer-calls-internment-islamic-extremists/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/splits-emerge-highest-level-botched-10516708

Watching with interest the fall out from the Timothy/Hill snit with with tories.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2017 21:49

I found IRA terrorism less scary than some things the state did in NI.

In trying to process what happened to my town, I have to say after 20 odd years this is not far from the position I got to. Also in terms of Corbyn being bad for talking to the IRA, since they aren't bombing anyone now, and NI isn't part of Ireland which was their ultimate aims, it must be asked, was Corbyn so wrong on that front?

Anyway Merkel has said Trump can't be trusted and we've fucked off so Europe will have to find its own way.

We are now internationally isolated.

Well we could suck up to the Americans but after the last week that's really not looking so clever is it?

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2017 21:50

Merkel said it was after what's she's seen in the last two days.

What did Trump and May say?!

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2017 22:03

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/the-art-of-negotiation/
The art of negotiation.

Blog on why May will be terrible at Brexit negotiations. Difficult to argue against. It's not kind.

www.economist.com/blogs/kaffeeklatsch/2017/05/what-s-brewing-germany
How to understand Angela Merkel’s comments about America and Britain
They were aimed at four distinct audiences

Her final audience comprised America and Britain themselves. However unfairly, many in the German elite talk about the election of Mr Trump and the vote for Brexit as a single phenomenon (call it “Trumpandbrexit”). Berlin tends to underestimate its own strengths, but it does believe it can help shape Trumpandbrexit at the edges with a combination of stick and carrot. Mrs Merkel has some carrots: insisting that Britain should not be punished for Brexit, resisting Mr Trump’s irritable barbs in Washington and enrapturing him during that visit with hair-raising talk of the dangers of global pandemics. But she also has sticks: reminding the British that they have conclusively forfeited the privileges of EU membership and stipulating that co-operation with Mr Trump will be “on the basis of shared values”. Today’s comments belong to this latter genre—a rare but substantive reminder to the Anglo-Saxons that they should not treat Germany as a pushover, as Mr Trump seemed to do in Sicily.

Let that sink in. Trumpandbrexit. Single word. Single event. Single political entity.

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2017 22:20

What the PM did today:

Theresa May @Theresa_May
Fantastic to meet members of the congregation @jesushouseuk, one of the most lively growing churches in the UK.

Otto English @ottoenglish
Theresa May has visited a pentecostal church run by cultish homophobic Pastor Agu Irukwu who opposes same sex relationships and marriages

The fella mentioned in this article from 2011.
metro.co.uk/2011/10/30/aeanti-gayae-cleric-named-britains-most-inspirational-black-person-202398/

www.petertatchell.net/religion/mayor-boris-embraces-anti-gay-pastor.htm
Peter Tatchell on this fella.

“Pastor Agu Irukwu is a long-time opponent of gay equality. His faith opposes civil partnerships and the fostering of children by same-sex couples,” said Mr Tatchell.

“On 13 July 2006 he signed a letter to Daily Telegraph suggesting that gay people are not equal to heterosexual people and opposing laws to protect lesbians and gay men against discrimination. He denounced such laws as ‘Christianophobia’”

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3626342/Letters-to-The-Daily-Telegraph.html
That letter to the Torygraph. Signed by a string of reverends and pastors.

Anti-Christian law

Sir - We write as pastors on behalf of tens of thousands of black British Christians. Many members of our congregations in London left their home countries to come to England to experience the freedom of living according to their Christian beliefs in a Christian democratic country.

But increasingly the Labour Government is discriminating against Christians in order to appease minority groups. From the Government's behaviour, it seems that those minority groups have disproportionate access to the ears of politicians and use that access to promote views and values that are contrary to the views and values which have been at the centre of protecting and promoting British families, schools and local communities for centuries.

The latest discrimination against Christians is the new law called the Sexual Orientation Regulations, said to combat the problem of homophobia in Britain. It alarms us that the Government's only evidence for a problem actually existing is "accounts in national newspapers".

The regulations force Christians in churches, businesses, charities and informal associations to accept and even promote the idea that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality.

For the sake of clarity, this is not what the Bible teaches and it is not what we believe to be the truth. In our view, these regulations are an affront to our freedom to be Christians.

If the Government thinks that we will accept this law lying down, they are mistaken. This sort of Christianophobia from the Government is no longer acceptable.

Remember the smear against Tim Farron. Whatever his personal views are, he has a perfect LGBT friendly voting record. Imagine if it had been him going to visit this church this weekend in the middle of an election campaign.

Amazing isn't it?

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woman12345 · 28/05/2017 22:28

Let that sink in. Trumpandbrexit. Single word. Single event. Single political entity
Follow the money.

Amazing isn't it
Follow that money trail too. Smile Especially with friends in the southern states of America and the NI.

She does seem to be snatching defeat from the arms of victory though.
1946 and all that. 12% swing then, to a surprised Attlee.

If, despite JC's comments on 'terrorism' her decline is not arrested, it's a difficult election to call.

Driving from southeast to mid Wales today, the only tory posters I've seen, are on landowners' estates. In Warwick one had been 'annotated'. Grin Sums it up really.

Trump could be helping the anti tory vote too. Smile

He looked a little out of his depth, this week.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2017 22:29

That's quite a twist for someone to claim they are being discriminated against - for not being allowed to discriminate against someone else !

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2017 22:32

David Jack @ DJackJourno
Government has used temporary exclusion order power just once to exclude returning jihadis, reports @thetimes

TSE @ TSEofPB
See this might damage Mrs May and the government

It's the front page main story for tomorrow.

Whether or not that's been the right / wrong thing to do, it may not go down well with some intending to vote Con (those Kippers are important). Doesn't fit with strong and stable.

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Eeeeeowwwfftz · 28/05/2017 22:35

Maybe I'm reading the wrong news outlets, but I make that two Sundays in a row now that May hasn't done any campaigning. Has anyone told her there's an election on?

prettybird · 28/05/2017 22:48

I'm not an expert on NI (but am old enough to remember consciously deciding not to let the terrorists win so not to be put off visiting London I live in Welwyn/Hitchin in the mid to late 80s) but I was told by people who were either Northern Irish or had been in the army that internment did more damage than good, almost overnight creating fertile ground for the IRA to recruit in Sad

Do we never learn?

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