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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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TheElementsSong · 09/05/2017 11:34

Surely private education, by definition is a luxury.

I do think it would completely break the system though, if (as our egalitarian fantasies would have it) we simply eradicated private schools forthwith.

My (slightly bitter) experience is, as ron alluded to above, that there are LAs (of not just the obvious political stripes or stereotypical "blame high immigration" areas) that have chronically failed to provide enough school places, and respond to the worried enquiries of prospective parents with the most blasé shrug of the shoulders and a sort of "que sera sera, if you just hang around for a while, you'll eventually get a couple of places somewhere in the entire metropolitan area" Hmm.

We recently enjoyed the paramount privilege of moving into just such a city: we are indeed fortunate that we could afford to make the luxury choice for our DC to feel a bit of certainty and security in where they would be going to school (after the trauma of leaving their previous beloved home, school and friends). But would my DC be privately educated if there had been state school places available? Hell no.

If I believed that Labour would magick up sensible state school provision in my city as soon as the election was won, I'd actually change my planned vote. Even despite Brexit.

BluePeppers · 09/05/2017 11:37

Remember you're voting for your MP, not the PM

Actually I don't agree with that.
Yes the vote is for an MP but ultimately the vote is for electing a PM. That's why TM is starting HER campaign for the GE, that's why she is the one who is going to be interviewed etc....
It's very different that, let's say France, where voting for a depute is voting for that person but the president is chosen via a different election.

That's also why strategic vote is so important.

I have to say, just know, voting just for AN opposition will be good enough atm

BiglyBadgers · 09/05/2017 11:43

I am with you completely. I am going to vote labour as I see no alternative, but it is a real struggle for me.

I feel the same about voting lib Dems. I am not a big fan to put it mildly, but they have at least some chance of getting rid of the current Tory MP, so I will vote for them in this case. They may not be my ideal, but they are a damn sight better than the alternative and sometimes that just has to do.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/05/2017 12:02

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Peregrina · 09/05/2017 12:02

But....but....they've all towed his bloody line haven't they?
Re brexit for example.

Not all did. Examine your own MP's record. If they are the best of a bad bunch on other issues besides Brexit, they would still be worth a vote.

twofingerstoEverything · 09/05/2017 12:17

I agree with you, too, Misti. Refusing to support Corbyn isn't the same as refusing to support Labour IMO.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/05/2017 12:20

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Peregrina · 09/05/2017 12:25

Refusing to support Corbyn isn't the same as refusing to support Labour IMO.

I am not a Labour party supporter although they gained my vote in one election. Look at what else May will do if she gets a mandate. It probably won't be in the manifesto; documents produced by May's team have been thin on detail, but she will take it as carte blanche to destroy the NHS and Education. She has totally subscribed to the UKIP agenda, IMO and even Farage agrees.

Look at the voting record of someone like Denis Skinner - unashamedly a Lexiter, but one who is totally committed to serving his own constituency and will defy the whip if he feels an action is against the good of his constituents.

Just remember, May is not heading up a 'One nation' Tory party, whatever she might say with her soundbites; she is the figurehead for a party in thrall to the extreme right.

HashiAsLarry · 09/05/2017 12:32

And tbh - you are actually voting for a party not an MP and not a PM.

This is what my DH finally realises. He voted our twat MP in 2015 thinking that he was fairly moderate and had always been good for the area, and thinking that DC was relatively moderate - he's had plenty of Hmm for that btw. I've made DH scratch the surface and he's finally realised twat MP has voted consistently against his constituents interests and is not in any way shape or form moderate.

He'll vote based on the candidate themselves this time.

ElenaGreco123 · 09/05/2017 13:14

I have just started reading Adults in the Room by Yanis Varoufakis about Greece's negotiations with the troika. Who knew a meeting with Larry Summers could be described so vividly and passionately?! I am going to have so much fun reading this.

RebelAllianceUK · 09/05/2017 13:17

The webchat just now with Nick Clegg was pretty good, btw...

Mistigri · 09/05/2017 13:27

In the UK you are voting for a party AND an MP surely. Assuming such a thing as a three-way constituency race with all three main parties in with an equal shot, I'd vote lib dem (party preference based on brexit policy) unless there was a clear personal reason to vote for a particular MP (based on his/her personal qualities and voting record).

I would for example vote for the MP for my old constituency (David Lammy) with absolutely no reservations.

twofingerstoEverything · 09/05/2017 14:02

Assuming such a thing as a three-way constituency race with all three main parties in with an equal shot,
And there's the rub. There are so many 'safe seats' that I don't think they do have an equal shot, FPTP being what it is... We've had the same party in power since our constituency was established in 1997. Prior to the boundary change in 1997 it was Conservative since 1931. Prior to that, it was the Unionist & Conservative party.

BiglyBadgers · 09/05/2017 14:17

Teresa May getting out and meeting real people again Hmm

A series of tweets from Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick

Theresa May in York right now, addressing Tory candidates, councillors & activists, not local York voters t.co/oliUbgdkhk

Only pre-arranged journalists get questions at May events. Those chosen asked by May aide to state Qs in advance t.co/4KLHTvCarv

One reporter told me May aides made clear if he didn't state his question in advance then he wouldn't get a question t.co/IEQo9pq7r5

I was told by May aide I wasn't on list to ask May a question, & there was no point in putting my hand up to ask one t.co/ltt8NLGeVE

What shocks me is reporters collaborate with May press team by agreeing to reveal their questions to them in advance t.co/p7LMEBXy7e

squoosh · 09/05/2017 14:21

I'd just read Michael Crick's tweets about only pre-approved questions being allowed. Fuckin' 'ell.

LaBrujaPiruja · 09/05/2017 14:28

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LaBrujaPiruja · 09/05/2017 14:30

Sorry, last message reported; it was to be posted on another thread, don't understand how it happened!

Peregrina · 09/05/2017 14:52

^I was told by May aide I wasn't on list to ask May a question, & there was no point in putting my hand up to ask one t.co/ltt8NLGeVE^

So why don't they submit a written question, but then ask a different one when they speak?

prettybird · 09/05/2017 14:54

Wouldn't it be great if the MSM started consistently mocking TM (and her minions) every time "strong and stable leadership" is uttered? eg a "Ding" or klaxon over the sound track or a counter ticking over to reveal the running total. Grin And snide comments regularly made about how it is squeezed into answers/statements on unrelated topics Wink

Not going to happen though

LurkingHusband · 09/05/2017 15:07

So why don't they submit a written question, but then ask a different one when they speak?

"Do you want to work in this country again ?"

Peregrina · 09/05/2017 15:14

All journalists would have to do it. Mind you, she would then only invite the Heil, Excrement and Torygraph to her 'meet the people' shows. Bit like she did when visiting Wheatley Park School, (her old Comprehensive) - the Oxford Times was not invited.

I like the idea of ringing a bell, or shouting Bingo, or similar.

LurkingHusband · 09/05/2017 15:22

Americans are being told Brexit is a complete disaster Blush

www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/09/6500_dollars_post_brexit_london_tours_rich_americans/

Stuffy American broadsheet the New York Times is offering disaster tourism-style package holidays of Westminster for $6,500, capitalising on Britain’s popular vote to leave the European Union.

(contd)

squoosh · 09/05/2017 15:49

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pressophobia

Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently
Motheroffourdragons · 09/05/2017 16:44

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HashiAsLarry · 09/05/2017 17:14

Corbyn has denied access to campaign events to Buzzfeed.
TM is refusing to answer only pre approved questions.

It is truly a race to the bottom.