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Westministenders: Its WAR. Huh!? What is that good for? Negotiations apparently

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2017 22:39

Theresa May has declared war on the EU. She is going to be a ‘bloody difficult woman’ after she got caught out by a highly predictable leak.

Apparently, the EU are trying to rig an election she seems almost dead cert to win. They deliberately timed the leak to interfere with an election May decided the timing of. May was not supposed to be at the dinner, but after she announced the election she decided that she had to get in on the act for some reason. Wildly speculating here, but could this be because she wanted the political mileage herself?

No it wasn't a preplanned strategy. Don't be stupid. That would suggest they had the foggiest clue and a plan. Nope, the war declaration was an opportunist damage limitation exercise, used to maximise political capital.

She has now even further alienated the EU. It seems difficult to conceive how any deal will be done. Instead it looks like the election is trying to set us up to crash out. Whether the ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ happens to make the 3 page Tory Manifesto remains to be seen.

This would leave EU nationals and British national aboard in legal and social limbo.

There is also a feud building over the Brexit leaving bill, which is steadily climbing. We can not progress to the second stage of Brexit without resolving this. Again, this seems unlikely.

Thirdly, a settlement with Ireland is a top priority for the EU, and plans are being drawn up to make allowances for any potential United Ireland. This is a subject that is still to be talked about on any level really. May has been much more interested in the fate of Scotland and battling with Nicola Sturgeon.

That’s the thing. May is like the playground bully who goes around going “Do you wanna scrap ?, Do ya? DO YA?” and generally throws their weight around and most of the time gets their own way as a result. The trouble with the strategy is when the bigger kid comes along and thumps the bully, for being a cocky little shit and doesn’t like their kid brother getting picked on.

The trouble is that May is setting it up, to try and make it look like the poor little Britain has been picked on to her parents, so they go around accusing the big kid of all sorts rather than admitting their little darling is a nasty little shit.

It’s not going to end well is it? You can’t help but feel that at some point they’ll all end up in the Headmasters office and the WTO/UN/International Courts will rule against us for being a bunch of dickheads. No doubt May, will stick to character, hold a grudge and demand to leave them or say they have no authority over the UK.

That or we really will end up declaring war on Spain over Gibraltar. By accident of course. Probably to keep the ConKip party together and avoid a split.

Rule Britannia. Britannia rules. Erm, not a lot these days.

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Corcory · 08/05/2017 22:33

Mother, Not all private education is a 'luxury'. My children were given a bursary to go to a particular school because they have particular sensory problems, adhd and asd, they were also bullied in the local school. Without the help of this school they would have been deprived of an education as they were refusing to go to school at all.
The fact that so many people take up a private education has a very positive effect on the education budget as they don't take any of it. There are thousands of children given means tested bursaries every year who would otherwise depend on the state for their education.

woman12345 · 08/05/2017 22:49

Progressive alliance: Greens, Labour and Liberal Democrats unite to take down Jeremy Hunt. Activists defy party leadership by uniting behind National Health Action party in bid to oust Health Secretary from seat in South West Surrey

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-stands-down-to-help-nhs-doctor-win-against-jeremy-hunt-a7723491.html

whatwouldrondo · 08/05/2017 23:32

Corcory Most private schools that you would actually want your children to go to have some form of strategic aim to include regardless of economic means written through their ethos like words through rock. Indeed many of the best were actually direct grant Grammers in their time, and some of those have even now taken the Free School route. I think that imposing VAT would be far more likely to result in them charging more to those who can pay to sustain bursary and other provision, even if in some cases that provision is sadly more and more aimed at getting the very brightest through their doors. The schools that would suffer probably deserve to wither on the vine......

It would be a hell of a shock to our Local Authority though, having got away with deterring parents into the private sector by inadequate provision. 30% of parents end up going private, and many more move, because they know that parents in their area get no offers of place, or one that is inaccessible, on allocations day. If the number of pupils staying in the state system were just the average of the similarly affluent outer London boroughs, it would require two new five form entry secondary schools to accommodate them. It would be a shock they have long had coming.

OlennasWimple · 09/05/2017 00:27

I suspect that removing charitable status would be kicking a similar hornets' nest to ending religious schools in the state sector, given the history of how we have ended up with the education system we have (in England at least)

BestIsWest · 09/05/2017 05:58

Corcory, I'm afraid that unless the bursary is for 100% of the fees I would still regard that as a luxury as it is an advantage and opportunity your children have over many others who may have the same sensory problems, ADHD and asd whose parents are simply not in the position to afford any contribution regardless of the bursary.

woman12345 · 09/05/2017 06:25

^Archbishop of Canterbury denies rightwing shift in run-up to election
Justin Welby says letter urging Anglicans to vote for stability in general election was not implicit endorsement of Tory mantra^

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/09/archbishop-of-canterbury-conservatives-rightwing-general-election

Hmm
woman12345 · 09/05/2017 06:33

This is actually a very worthwhile pledge from Labour. I remember being shocked we'd copied the USA in milking the sick & their families for more money.

Saving the NHS and free hospital parking, seem reasonable issues to campaign on, though?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/05/2017 06:41

I can't remember where in the bible that Jesus prioritise stability Confused

Matthew 25:34-40 < the archbishop may have forgotten >

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Bolshybookworm · 09/05/2017 06:42

Even with a full bursary, private schools are still inaccessible to many in society. I watched a programme about an incredibly bright and ambitious girl from a deprived inner city area of Leeds. Through sheer determination she won a full scholarship to a local fee paying school. This was her ticket out of poverty. However, even when her fees were paid her parent still had to stump up for travel, uniforms (far more clothing items than in a state school and many you had to buy from an expensive schools outfitter), school trips etc. She left after a year because of the expense and because she was socially isolated. It was heart breaking.

woman12345 · 09/05/2017 06:47

Kudos BigChoc for finding that!

So an archbishop in charge of hundreds of churches giving out free food to the hungry and desperate is saying this.

I have high hopes May and her consort will be asked about that, deportations, the impending refugee camp on the south coast, Euratom and food security on the "One Show". Grin

Wouldn't it be great if some representatives of the Trussel Trust and food bank customers met her on the programme.

woman12345 · 09/05/2017 06:50

What you described is also true of grammar schools Bolshy. I've seen it. The poor or physically disabled are never welcome at selective/private schools.

LurkingHusband · 09/05/2017 06:51

I see Corbyn is saying Brexit is "settled" (or is that "stable").

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39852719

I can hear the votes flocking ... not.

Artisanjam · 09/05/2017 07:17

Corbin has also confirmed he won't step down after the election if he looses.

I think that's the end of the Labour Party tbh, whether or not their policies are generally popular, Corbyn turns off a lot of potential labour voters.

PattyPenguin · 09/05/2017 07:23

Justin Welby would say that, wouldn't he? He's yet another old Etonian. He used to be an oil company executive. He's defended lying bankers.

lalalonglegs · 09/05/2017 07:38

Corbyn can't say he will step down if/when the Labour Party is trounced. It's one of those electoral tropes that whoever is in charge of the losing party has to say that they want to carry on but, realistically, he can't (although there are rumours he will hang on until conference to try and gerrymander the rules for the next leadership contest).

frumpety · 09/05/2017 07:44

Just a quick question , feel free to ignore if too de-raily , does anyone have any idea how interest rates will be affected by Brexit ? They have been so low for such a long time now . Would a rise affect those who are buying cars on those personal lease schemes or whatever they are called ?

Mistigri · 09/05/2017 08:01

frumpety hard to tell but I wouldn't be too concerned right now as any rise would be small initially. Interest rates might need to rise if inflation goes too far above 2% - but at the same time the monetary policy committee will be very cautious as there are definite signs that the UK economy is cooling.

A rise in rates would affect anyone with outstanding loans that are not at a fixed rate.

BestIsWest · 09/05/2017 08:05

Many of them are 0% schemes but I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the small print there exists the right to increase the interest rate. Didn't someone say on one of these threads car pcp loans are another sub prime mortgage time bomb waiting to happen?

prettybird · 09/05/2017 08:07

Woman - you are having treatment for those delusions, aren't you? Wink

Mistigri · 09/05/2017 08:10

If anyone on here wants to practice their French comprehension there was a very interesting documentary on Macron on French TV last night. Twitter is saying that if it had aired before the second round he'd have got over 75% ...

It's on LCI.fr (les coulisses d'une victoire - behind the scenes of a victory)

He comes across very well - likeable, self-deprecating, with a sense of humour but above all an absolutely steely determination. Very hard not to warm to him tbh.

LurkingHusband · 09/05/2017 08:25

I think that's the end of the Labour Party tbh, whether or not their policies are generally popular, Corbyn turns off a lot of potential labour voters.

I'll be the exception proving the rule. I have no problem with Corbyn, but every problem with Labours "Brexit's settled" policy. Maybe I should start voting on personality ?

Motheroffourdragons · 09/05/2017 08:26

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BiglyBadgers · 09/05/2017 08:28

From that BBC article

Speaking at his campaign launch in Manchester, Mr Corbyn will say: "This election isn't about Brexit itself. That issue has been settled. The question now is what sort of Brexit do we want - and what sort of country do we want Britain to be after Brexit?

This is exactly what he has said all along, so no change. That post-referendum he is not going to oppose brexit as he feels the decision to leave has now been made and there is no going back, but he does think there is a debate to be had about what sort of brexit we have. Of course, he mainly seems to be ignoring the issue at the moment and focusing on the NHS, which could back fire if he can't/won't engage effectively in the brexit debate.

BiglyBadgers · 09/05/2017 08:30

I have to add I disagree with him on the brexit issue and feel that we should be allowed to change our mind if brexit is going to destroy the country.

Kaija · 09/05/2017 08:32

"That issue has been settled."

Ffs