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Westministenders: Up Shit Creek without Wifi.

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RedToothBrush · 29/04/2017 22:12

Theresa May is being held hostage.

There is mounting evidence that all is not as it seems at CCHQ. It makes you don your tin foil hat and ask who is in charge.

Theresa May was a Remainer. She suddenly abandoned that when she became leader. Her proclamation of what would follow next seems directly at odds with her actions. This is not her fault. This is her plea for help and way of telling the outside world that she is a prisoner of Brexit.

At first it seemed like perhaps she had been locked up with Brexiteers for too long. She seemed to be developing a survival strategy which seemed totally irrational to outsiders. The signs of intimidation everywhere though. Instead of criticising those who did this, May joined in with them or was complicit in her silence.

Things are now taking a sinister turn. After repeatedly saying ‘No Election’, May crumbled and called one. She has now not been seen in public since. Instead she is being wheeled out at closed events to the party faithful. They are being dressed as mixing with the people but they are no such thing. The plebs in attendance are set to ‘mute’ or locked out completely.

Behold the coming of the May-Bot. She seeks to ‘prevent tourism’ in Wales. She now no longer knows which town she is currently in. (Much less have a plan for Brexit). She accuses an organisation set up to use its numbers to get better deals, of doing what it is supposed to, except she calls this ‘ganging up’.

May is not transported in a bus. Oh no. Instead she travels by the Bond Villian’s choice of transport; the helicopter.

More worrying still is the mantra ‘Strong and Stable’ repeated as many times as possible. It is almost as if, if she says it enough she might start believing it. She certainly has got her party members brainwashed and acting as if they were Zombies. Who needs ‘Spice’ when you are a Conservative? They ‘Believe’…

The ploy is to hoodwink people into voting for May instead of the Tories. CCHQ have removed Conservative branding from literature and campaigning in the North. The party are still too toxic, but May apparently scores well especially against Corbyn. Ironically however negatively I think of Corbyn he does display something May increasingly seems incapable of: humanity.

Many people might think of May as some sort of dictator figure. Its true. Every vote for her strengthens her hand. But not for Brexit negotiations. Mainly because Brexit is without merit or reward. Not unless you hold power. This is part 2 of the grab for it.

This is May’s power paradox. SHE is not powerful. She isn’t persuasive. She isn’t a healer of divides. She relies on authoritarian measures to get her way. This isn’t a sign of her personal power, but a sign of her personal weakness. She is sly and sneaky in her methods rather than compelling others to come along with her. They are doing so more because they dislike the alternative in Corbyn less.

She is not stable. She has lurched from one drama to the next, and has repeatedly been forced to back down from what she wanted. Nothing says ‘stability’ and ‘good leadership’ like appointing Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. The lady is not so much for turning and leading, but is already staggering around dizzy whilst blindfolded playing pin the tail on the donkey. And Christ she’s got a lot of them in her Government. Including the numpty who decided to do a live event and broadcast it in an area with no wi-fi. Mind you, that is soon to be the entire country. Or what’s left of it.

She had said she had a mandate for Brexit and did not need this to be approved by the country as she was getting on with the job. This is why we are having a General Election to give her a mandate…

Not only that, but there is a lurking question here that should not be forgotten. Who is pulling May’s strings and making her dance as her actions are not natural? Every puppet show has puppet masters behind the scenes of the stage, hiding in the shadows.

They will dispense with their toy once she has outlived her usefulness like every good baddie.

Is she the one we should be most fearful of?

Hold on tight this is going to be a very bumpy ride over the next two years. Just how many casualties will be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit?

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woman12345 · 03/05/2017 07:27

Labour have never been any different
NHS, OU, EUA, tax credits, child poverty slashed; labour are different, Hashi Labour is horrendous at the moment, it breaks my heart to say, but they are different, and there are at least open labour remainers.
Like those who won't vote Macron, the option is only one thing, and there might not be so many GEs after that.

I agree with Hester we have to dilute it, by all means necessary. I'm useless at stats and stuff, but with UKIP imploding, it's the second party and look at the voting history on wiki. Interesting on how that added up in the late 1990s and early 2000s. And chastening how bad it was in early 1980s.

Our esteemed contributor asked recently why there is no remain party and went on to make threatening posts. That's his/her answer.

The actual and threatened violence is now a reality. A Remain party hasn't got the security budget, yet. Only Blair has and the petition is against his safety. Like the open death threat against Gina Miller.

Funny as LH's clip of May leaving a meeting to the fury of protestors, the chilling thing for me was how much it resembles Trump in office.
Isolated, silent, not engaging with media or local people, in darkened cars, speeding in and out of an estate, absolutely reviled by citizenry and nevertheless in complete power.

HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 07:31

labour are different, Hashi
Not when it comes to breaking manifesto pledges as soon as they get power woman. They even did it on the exact same issue.

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woman12345 · 03/05/2017 07:38

But that's politics,Hashi it is the art of the possible.

If they had reversed the 1992 Trade Union Act, so much of this wouldn't have happened. And I personally know people in the party who campaigned so hard to keep clause 4.

Knowing that this is a fundamentally a conservative country, and behaving accordingly is how Blair (and Smith before realising that) got the 3 terms.

Believe me I'd love, love love, to be in a Scandinavian model of social democracy, but we are where we are.

If it was still a massive grass roots party which is what it was when trades unions were the focus of democratic local socialism, rather than the SWP sated boys clubs they've turned into, it would be different.

We are where we are and pragmatism could be a game changer.

HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 07:40

Look - it is very unlikely that they will get the chance anyway, but if they did can you really be 100% certain that they will stick to their promise ? I just can't quite believe it.
In that case you'd be better off voting Tory, because they at least aren't making promises to break. I trust no party 100%, because history has proved them all liars

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HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 07:44

But that's politics,Hashi it is the art of the possible.
So it's pointless holding one party to standards other party's themselves have failed at and been told is ok by the electorate at large. Or to claim any party is different in any way once power gets involved,

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NearlyChristmasNow · 03/05/2017 07:49

Parties should have 2 parts to their manifesto - one for what they'll do if they get into power, and one for what they'll try to do if they are in a minority.

Kaija · 03/05/2017 07:53

Everyone needs to vote tactically I'd say and get out campaigning too.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/03/uk-food-sector-faces-enormous-challenges-post-brexit-say-peers?utmsource=dlvr.it&utmm_medium=twitter

woman12345 · 03/05/2017 07:53

I get completely why you think that, Hashi I agree in some ways. Trouble is it's what worked for Trump, the 'crooked Hillary' stuff stuck.

But I can see why you think they are all the same, it's why this has all kicked off.

But it's what won it for Trump, and what MLP is using in France; saying it's pointless voting for the opposition because they're corrupt. On whose terms is this political morality being decided?

I still hope people will vote for the best non tory remainer.

HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 07:55

They were pretty central to campaigners at unis and colleges mother.

Peregrina · 03/05/2017 07:55

The Tories were quite happy to break their commitment to the Single Market as soon as May got elected, and is making it clear she is going for a Hard Brexit. Why should we believe commentators who say that with a larger majority, she will be able to ignore the hard-liners? I think that's wishful thinking. How can we believe anything now which comes out of Theresa May's mouth? This is the woman who wasn't going to have an election until 2020, but apparently needed it because the Opposition i.e. the SNP and LibDems weren't behind her in Parliament. As an excuse that must be one of the most feeble. Sixty five or so MPs trying to do the job of opposing contrasted with the same number in her own party who must be pandered to.

Which of those other things you value is your candidate likely to support? Do you trust the Tories on NHS or Education?

HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 08:01

woman I'm not in any way saying not to vote because they're all crooked. I'm saying have some realism here. Don't hold one party to standards you don't hold your usual one to, vote tactically to cease control of the shifting landscape.

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woman12345 · 03/05/2017 08:07

Fair enough Hashi.Smile

HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 08:07

I recommended a friend stuck in a non moveable seat to vote green btw, as their not getting decent tv coverage compared to ukip was something she moaned about. Every little tactic can help in some ways.

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HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 08:09

*seize control ffs
Cease would work well for the Tories though
Grin

HashiAsLarry · 03/05/2017 08:11

And also - you have to assume that if the Lib Dems were as successful as they were in 2010, they would be talking to the tories first. And in my book, the first thing to go would be their resistance to brexit.
They aren't campaigning anti brexit though, no one is. And Labour under Corbyn won't do anything about it either as they've actually proven.

woman12345 · 03/05/2017 08:15

They aren't campaigning anti brexit though, no one is
Too dangerous. Sad

Our side is the remains of the free press, twitter and the EU.

GFA, hard border, food shortages, and Baileys( clever combination, kudos to the Guardian):

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/03/uk-food-sector-faces-enormous-challenges-post-brexit-say-peers

“If you take one example – a bottle of Baileys Irish Cream … if you are a Northern Irish cow, your milk crosses the border five times before it goes into the bottle,” said Ian Wright, director general of the Food and Drink Federation (FDF). “The idea that that would be subject to tariffs hither and yon is really very scary.”

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