How can anyone defend TM right now?

[Bearbehind]

And I ask that as a life long Tory voter

• She repeatedly, categorically ruled out having a GE now, then completely u-turned
• she is too spineless to participate in tv debates
• she won't deny triple lock pensions will be scrapped
• she won't deny the freeze on tax hikes will be scrapped
• her 'red line' is immigration, which if you ask most Leavers, wasn't their 'red line'
• she is hell bent on screwing the economy to prove a point
• her Brexit team cannot answer even the most basic questions
• she showed her petticoat to Trump and even he has said the EU will come first
• she is operating under some kind of delusion that EU agencies can remain in what will be a non EU country.

Really, who in their right mind would vote for her?

Life long labour voters who are considering now voting Tory blow my mind.

Seriously, what was ever so bad about the EU that makes it worth all this?

Thanks for that janet Theresa

Sound bite city with not an ounce of support for anything you've said.

Why does anyone think Tridant is a good thing? We don't even have control over these nuclear missiles, bloody Donald Trump does! But they are floating around in Scottish waters so if anything goes wrong America will be fine, the U.K. however...

I haven't RTFT but Bearbehind, just to re-assure you, you aren't the only previous Tory voter who will Not(!) be voting in their favour at this election. Never thought I'd wish Ed Miliband had won the last election..... I cannot with my conscience vote for Corbyn but will vote for Libdem/whatever other independent candidate that makes more sense. Would also like to make the point that the right wing media has a huge responsibility.....am so surprised that Dacre hasn't just assumed all consuming power over the govt....or maybe he has and this is why the shitstorm keeps getting worse....

This is the third thread I've posted this on, sorrynotsorry

This is great, everyone should do this. You basically pick what's important to you and it tells you the parties you align with!

uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

I think im on all those threads big

Stop it !! I get it!!! Im doing it now!!

Haha Rufus I promise, no more! I just think it's a really good tool to see if you are voting for the party that best support your beliefs! Would be interesting to see everyone's results... would be better on a new thread but I just promised not to post it again

JanetWhatsername15 isn't a pensioner. She could even be my MP masquerading as a MN user. Certainly it's the same hogwash as my MP spouts to every letter sent.

The tories are doing well with the economy 😂

Do people genuinely believe this? Have they missed the rock bottom pound, the fall in consumer spending, the businesses currently planning to move off shore? Wonder how they'll spin it when we leave the single market

I was asked to give reasons and I did. Let us see whom the people choose in June. I don't make the good things up.
Last week, Financial Times (and the FT is always posting articles pro taxation of capital and wealth and all sorts - it's a nest of low paid left wing journalists at times....

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.ft.com/content/5213d9fc-227c-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.ft.com/content/5213d9fc-227c-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16</a>

"The International Monetary Fund has once again upgraded its UK growth forecast, reversing nearly all of the downgrade it pencilled in after last summer’s Brexit vote.

In its latest assessment of prospects for global growth, published on Tuesday, the IMF predicted the UK economy will expand this year by 2 per cent, a sharp increase of 0.5 percentage points from the forecast it made in January. The IMF also upgraded its UK forecast for next year, from 1.4 per cent to 1.5 per cent.

The IMF’s new forecast ranked the UK as the world’s second fastest growing major advanced economy for this year, behind the US, which is expected to grow at 2.3 per cent. However, the IMF’s forecast for next year would put the UK joint fourth in a G7 league table, with the US, Canada and France all predicted to grow more quickly in 2018."

Bolshy can I add to your list - RPI up, with the consequence that interest on student loans will soon be at 6.1%
So if you are about to sit your final set of exams on a 3 year degree course, and you took out loans to cover just your fees, so £27K, you'd be paying £1700 in interest before you've even had a chance to start your job hunt.
I'm sure that middle class parents up and down the country will be extending their mortgages to prevent their children having to take on debt with those interest rates. The JAMS however will be completely stuck.

Mother - is that an official increase? Are fees not capped at 9K any more?
I'd better get saving for my kids

40% of students never pay back their student loan and it is in effect a 9% tax - yes nicer not to have 9% tax but was it better when only 15% of us went to university and the 85% who did not get the chance paid for the rest of us to go through their taxes? That is what happened in my day.

I think it is £9250 fro year 1, £9750 for year 2 and £10,100 or something for year 3.

So for those who educate their children privately, where day school fees in the south-east are typically £4000 a term, with from what I read on threads on MN, above inflation rises, this is good value.

So long as we know. Their wealthy chums will be OK.

That's the trouble - May's Tories are never in a million years going to print a manifesto which says e.g. 'We will dismantle the NHS' but they are doing so by stealth.

but was it better when only 15% of us went to university and the 85% who did not get the chance paid for the rest of us to go through their taxes?
Yes, I think it was. In the same way that I don't begrudge my tax paying for other people's children's primary/secondary education, or for a health service that I barely use. And what do you mean by 'did not get the chance'? In theory, everyone had the chance when it was free and grants were available.

or for a health service that I barely use.

I don't have a problem with that either. Nor for education and social care. This is certainly how it was for my parents, who paid into the health service for nigh on 40 years and only used it regularly in the last 10 years of their lives, and even then it was fairly low key support mostly. No expensive by pass or cancer treatments thankfully.

Ultimately I feel that what benefits society is beneficial to us all.

Breaking the ‘strong economy’ narrative

mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/breaking-strong-economy-narrative.html

TheElementsSong That chart shows how current british politics has been economically cultivated. Thanks for posting

She repeatedly, categorically ruled out having a GE now, then completely u-turned
And then she changed her mind to get a stronger position, whats the big deal?

she is too spineless to participate in tv debates
She has nothing to gain so why should she? There are plenty of other ways to interact with the public.

she won't deny triple lock pensions will be scrapped
Sensible idea

she won't deny the freeze on tax hikes will be scrapped
Again, a sensible idea.

her 'red line' is immigration, which if you ask most Leavers, wasn't their 'red line'
I think it was for a lot of the country.

she is hell bent on screwing the economy to prove a point
That is just codswallop!

her Brexit team cannot answer even the most basic questions
You mean they can't give the answers you want.

she showed her petticoat to Trump and even he has said the EU will come first
First sexist, second you believe to much of what you read in the newspapers and have no actual proof of that claim.

she is operating under some kind of delusion that EU agencies can remain in what will be a non EU country
Or its a negotiating position, you have no idea what is in her mind.

Really, who in their right mind would vote for her?
Half the country apparently.

Life long labour voters who are considering now voting Tory blow my mind
Guess your mind is blown then.

Seriously, what was ever so bad about the EU that makes it worth all this?
So this is just all a Brexit rant!

I think the left need to accept a lot of mumsnetters do support the Conservatives, I'm afraid. It is good that Labour knows this so they can work out where to concentrate their opposition and have a think about how to convince us to move from Tories to Labour.