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How can anyone defend TM right now?

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Bearbehind · 22/04/2017 19:40

And I ask that as a life long Tory voter

  • She repeatedly, categorically ruled out having a GE now, then completely u-turned
  • she is too spineless to participate in tv debates
  • she won't deny triple lock pensions will be scrapped
  • she won't deny the freeze on tax hikes will be scrapped
  • her 'red line' is immigration, which if you ask most Leavers, wasn't their 'red line'
  • she is hell bent on screwing the economy to prove a point
  • her Brexit team cannot answer even the most basic questions
  • she showed her petticoat to Trump and even he has said the EU will come first
  • she is operating under some kind of delusion that EU agencies can remain in what will be a non EU country.

Really, who in their right mind would vote for her?

Life long labour voters who are considering now voting Tory blow my mind.

Seriously, what was ever so bad about the EU that makes it worth all this?

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Peregrina · 01/05/2017 18:24

calling people picanninnies with watermelon smiles

This apparently was normal and a sign that a politician had personality. Made me think of the statement, "I'm not racist, but....".

Anon1234567890 · 01/05/2017 18:26

So if you believe that anon why would you not be concerned David Davis hasn't bothered looking into the impact of leaving with no deal then?

Well I am going from memory of him speaking about it so I probably wont explain it perfectly. But to paraphrase: Any meaningful forecast of the impact of leaving is dependent upon what the government is able to mitigate. And DD is assessing what can be mitigated first so he can then make a meaningful forecast. (ie the egg comes first).

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Bearbehind · 01/05/2017 18:36

anon we are going round in circles here.

The fact is, you believe everything will fine dispite the fact the EU have put up walls at every single point up to now and show no sign in capitulating- I think they're going to hold their nerve and we'll be screwed over.

Time will tell who was right.

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Anon1234567890 · 01/05/2017 18:58

PattyPenguin I had a good look through your links, thanks. Its mainly stuff I already knew or suspected. I understand that the EU27 and the UK might argue about how much of the lamb (for example) quota is theirs. Whilst politically that is complicated, its not an insurmountable obstacle that makes no deal a terrible option. The WTO is an organisation that resolves trade disputes between countries and will have processes in place on what to do should it ever come to that.

Anon1234567890 · 01/05/2017 19:12

Just BeLeave that Great Leader May will make Brexit a Success
You said it, but I prefer to believe that the whole of the UK will make Brexit a success because their are 169 countries not in the EU and many of them are doing ok, so why should the UK not?

anon we are going round in circles here
I know but that's inevitable as we believe different things.

the fact the EU have put up walls at every single point up to now and show no sign in capitulating

I dont get why your so negative when the real negotiations haven't even begun. I haven't ruled a country but I have bargained with people before. We always started off miles apart and end up agreeing somewhere in the middle. All we are seeing so far is trash talk. We will end up agreeing somewhere in the middle, probably. And if we dont I can live with WTO rules.

Will we be screwed over? Well between JC and TM I know who is most likely to be screwed over and it isn't TM. I liked David Cameron but the EU screwed him over. I dont get the feeling that TM will make the same mistake, so yes I trust her to stand up for us and make sure we are not taken advantage of.

prettybird · 01/05/2017 19:14

Doesn't matter that the article I posted up was from a whole ago: it was talking about the practicalities if sorting out our re-jigged, stand-alone WTO membership. Those practicalities haven't changed.

The most recent quote I could find from the WTO head was from November, where he points out that they can't sort out the detail until the EU and UK have confirmed their own trade deal.....and that looks like it is going to be sooooo easy Hmm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04dy4h1

Quite apart from the fact that under the WTO rules, a country can't give preferential treatment to one country or one sector, unless they open it up to all, or unless a specific trade deal with that country has been signed. Despite what David Davis and Liam Fox might claim.

Kaija · 01/05/2017 19:42

"I prefer to believe that the whole of the UK will make Brexit a success because their are 169 countries not in the EU and many of them are doing ok, so why should the UK not?"

How many of those 169 do you believe are not part of any trade bloc?

HardcoreLadyType · 01/05/2017 20:28

How many of those 169 do you believe are not part of any trade bloc?

Ooh, ooh, I know this one. It's six, isn't it? (For context, one of them is South Sudan, which was formed in 2011, as a result of a civil war.)

prettybird · 01/05/2017 20:53

And another one is North Korea. Such lovely companions Hmm

TheElementsSong · 01/05/2017 21:12

I prefer to believe that the whole of the UK will make Brexit a success

How about the praiseworthiness and positive personality traits of calling people picanninnies with watermelon smiles? We still aiming for that as the new normal for our successful Brexit Britain?

prettybird · 01/05/2017 21:17

The UK might not be "whole" for much longer HmmGrin

A significant majority of voters in Scotland - even those who don't currently support independence/want another referendum - now think that Scotland will be independent within 10 years.

And of course there is the challenge of abiding by the GFA without resulting in the unification of Ireland.

Anon1234567890 · 01/05/2017 22:45

prettybird I just watched that interview you posted with the WTO head and he says, "Trade would not have to stop and cease without an agreement". So again I say, no worries.

How many of those 169 do you believe are not part of any trade bloc?
And once out of the clutches of the EU we will be able to also do trade deals with other countries.

prettybird If your saying the UK will be like N.Korea when we leave the EU, then I say you are Project Fear personified, nothing you say will be believed. You are talking nonsense.

The UK might not be "whole" for much longer
Was going to answer this but given your previous statement your just bonkers.

Kaija · 01/05/2017 22:46

"How many of those 169 do you believe are not part of any trade bloc?
And once out of the clutches of the EU we will be able to also do trade deals with other countries. "

What?

Kaija · 01/05/2017 22:48

I think prettybird's point about North Korea was simply that it is one of the very few countries in the world that isn't a member of a trading bloc. What's bonkers about that?

Corcory · 01/05/2017 22:50

Well Prettybird, I think it depends who you talk to. I know quite a few e voters who voted Yes but don't want another referendum. I would also say that the Conservatives are getting more popular than they were in 2014 and it was a no then so I really don't see there being a major shift to independence at the moment.

Anon1234567890 · 02/05/2017 00:04

I think prettybird's point about North Korea was simply that it is one of the very few countries in the world that isn't a member of a trading bloc.

And the UK has plans to make trade deals with countries. Why do you think MPs are lying?

prettybird · 02/05/2017 00:16

It's the first time I've been described as bonkers. At least it's better than being ignorant. Grin

I don't think anyone else who knows my posting history, would agree with you. At least I justify my opinions. I know Corcory disagrees with me - but we've always managed to have reasonable and intelligent differences of opinion Grin I have always remained polite in discussions - but I will call out ignorance.

And kaija is correct, any not bonkers sensible person would have known that my reference to North Korea was that it was one of the handful of other countries in the world who is not in a trading bloc.

prettybird · 02/05/2017 00:22

Corcory - it's not difficult for the Conservatives to be more popular than they were in 2014: they are starting from a low base and with Labour being in free fall, it's easy for them to show some progress.

This is the poll from the Daily Telegraph which shows the swap.

How can anyone defend TM right now?
prettybird · 02/05/2017 00:26

I think Anon is being deliberately obtuse (and that's not an insult - just a description) in not understanding that the fact that almost every single country in the world is in a trading bloc is because it benefits them.

TheElementsSong · 02/05/2017 07:05

What, still no elaboration on the positive personality traits we should all be applauding as the new normal? Grin I was so looking forward to some further explanation on this point, as it was one of the notably concrete predictions/aims I've found after the past 10 months.

Corcory · 02/05/2017 17:39

Prettybird, I also think you aren't counting the many people who would like independence but don't want to be part of the EU either which used to be the SNP's stance. I know people like that and they don't want another referendum.
I do think the SNP talk up the 2nd referendum a lot in that it was passed by parliament so that's that and everybody in Scotland must want one.
When we had the 1st referendum the whole parliament voted for it. Only the SNP and the Greens voted for the 2nd referendum this time.
The SNP haven't increased their % of the vote as far as I can see there has just been a swop of cons and labour. I also think the LibDems will do better so if there was such a great liking for a 2nd referendum then surely the SNP would be increasing their vote.

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Bearbehind · 03/05/2017 19:45

OMFG- just when you think you've heard it all TM sinks lower.

  • she called the GE
  • she arranged the timing of the dinner with Juncker
  • she said she was going to show she was a 'bloody woman'

How the feck is the EU at fault here?

It's actually becoming really scary how detached from reality she is.

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Peregrina · 03/05/2017 20:08

It's actually becoming really scary how detached from reality she is.

It's scary that no one seems to be able to hold her to account. God Help us if she wins the election.

Buttercupsandaisies · 03/05/2017 21:41

I really hope she wins

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