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How can anyone defend TM right now?

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Bearbehind · 22/04/2017 19:40

And I ask that as a life long Tory voter

  • She repeatedly, categorically ruled out having a GE now, then completely u-turned
  • she is too spineless to participate in tv debates
  • she won't deny triple lock pensions will be scrapped
  • she won't deny the freeze on tax hikes will be scrapped
  • her 'red line' is immigration, which if you ask most Leavers, wasn't their 'red line'
  • she is hell bent on screwing the economy to prove a point
  • her Brexit team cannot answer even the most basic questions
  • she showed her petticoat to Trump and even he has said the EU will come first
  • she is operating under some kind of delusion that EU agencies can remain in what will be a non EU country.

Really, who in their right mind would vote for her?

Life long labour voters who are considering now voting Tory blow my mind.

Seriously, what was ever so bad about the EU that makes it worth all this?

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Goldfishjane · 23/04/2017 12:29

Op, sorry, I'm on so many of these, some in
Chat, AIBU, Politics etc I lost track, I do apologise, I get why that's annoying.

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Bearbehind · 23/04/2017 12:31

It's only because she is up against the worst Labour leader in a generation that she seems to be doing well.

And Corbyn is the gift that just keeps on giving- WTAF does he think he's playing at with this pledge for 4 more bank holidays?

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larrygrylls · 23/04/2017 13:03

Thecat,

I am really struggling with your reply to my post.

I really don't think 'citizens of nowhere' is remotely anti Semitic (I am Jewish). Just don't get that. You placed in quote marks a quote about Goldman Sachs. Who were you quoting? Certainly not TM.

Hate speech? Again don't see it.

I think that we really need to have an honest discussion between those who feel nation states don't matter and those who are still attracted to a nation state idea.

Your 'unpacking' was actually projecting a bunch of ideas that I just don't see.

larrygrylls · 23/04/2017 13:05

And en passant the only person I have heard being anti Semitic about Goldmans was a Dutch banker who commuted between holland and London...

BrexshitMeansBrexshit · 23/04/2017 13:25

And Corbyn is the gift that just keeps on giving- WTAF does he think he's playing at with this pledge for 4 more bank holidays?

Quite. What a facepalm moment that was. He goes from bad to worse.

Peregrina · 23/04/2017 13:36

larry - you might not see 'citizens of nowhere' as hate speech, but a lot of people did.

Bolshybookworm · 23/04/2017 14:03

Put it in context. She chooses that terminology at a time when non-uk nationals are being targeted for abuse and the country is split on the issue of immigration. It's devisive and uneccessary. Its either wilfully sowing division or an utter lack of awareness of the political situation.

prettybird · 23/04/2017 14:05

....especially those of us who are, by her definition, "citizens of nowhere" Hmm

However, I refuse to bow down to that sort of hate speech and I remain (Wink) a proud Scottish (by adoption) Citizen of the World Grin unfortunately, for the moment, can't help also being a citizen of the UK Hmm

JanetBrown2015 · 23/04/2017 14:52

She's really good and many us do support her. She's just what the country needs. As for changing her mind over whether to call an election, it's quite admirable to change your mind. I think it's a masterstroke. I hope she not only wins in June but in 5 years time too. The country will be the better for it.

I hope everyone votes even if they don't like the Tories. I want everyone to vote whatever their views.

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Bearbehind · 23/04/2017 15:00

janet, could you elaborate a little more please.

What are your thoughts on the other points I mentioned in my OP?

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whatwouldrondo · 23/04/2017 15:10

I am pleased that Notgettingyounger puts the risk of losing the financial passport at zero. The Senior Managers in our banks, insurance companies, accountancy firms, law firms, management consultancies, and other companies involved in the financial services industry do not however agree with that assessment of risk and are throwing a lot of their resources into plans to minimise the damage and to prepare to move activities and people out of the UK. However Notgettingyounger has declared the risk zero on Mumsnet so I am sure they can stand down and my family and the many people in my community who make their living in the financial sector can stop being bloody scared about the future and vote Tory but they won't

Peregrina · 23/04/2017 16:53

I think there is nothing wrong changing your mind when the facts change. Changing your mind for political expediency is not a 'masterstroke' in my opinion. It's just treating democracy, which so many Leavers were so keen on, as though it's a game.

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Bearbehind · 23/04/2017 16:58

I think janet might be on TM's payroll Grin

I do find it really interesting that not a single person has bee able to defend TMs actions so far

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LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt · 23/04/2017 17:07

What exactly has she done for the non privileged few?

^This. She has been in power for nine months now and there hasn't been even an inkling of a policy that suggests she gives a shit about anyone other than her own party. And the ghastly regimes she has been jetting off to ingratiate himself with so far show exactly what kind of Britain she envisages after Brexit.

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Bearbehind · 23/04/2017 17:12

lord that's what how's my mind.

I'm in a position that Tory policies have previously been beneficial to me but it truly blows my mind that life long labour voters, who will be royally screwed by Tory policies, are prepared to vote for TM just to leave the EU.

Seriously, what was/ is so bad about the EU that you'd choose to screw yourselves for?

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Bearbehind · 23/04/2017 17:13

Blows not how's

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olliegarchy99 · 23/04/2017 17:23

from TM speech
But today, too many people in positions of power behave as though they have more in common with international elites than with the people down the road, the people they employ, the people they pass in the street.

But if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere. You don’t understand what the very word ‘citizenship’ means.
where was this aimed at anyone other than the powerful globalist liberal elites? It is not a 'hate crime' speech - but don't let truth get in the way of a rant Hmm

larrygrylls · 23/04/2017 19:04

Spot on, well done for quoting her comments in context. It was aimed at those whose loyalty is to nobu, Ralph Lauren and Mercedes, all available in any of the world's major cities, as opposed to any nation state or culture.

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Bearbehind · 23/04/2017 19:10

Is there not a single person who explain why they are supporting TM in the GE, using more than just soundbites?

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Bolshybookworm · 23/04/2017 19:17

Still divisive, non-specific bollocks. Who is she targeting here? Heads of multinationals? Bankers? Politicians? Lecturers? Scientists? Doctors? These are all people in positions of power that travel frequently.
If you've got a specific policy targeting non-doms who seek to avoid tax then spell it out, rather than using terminology that could be directed at anyone with an accent and a business/set of employees.

What shite are you talking, Larry? McDonald's is available all over the world. Enjoying a chain restaurant does not make you part of the "international elite".

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 23/04/2017 19:49

I quite like urban dictionary sometimes

A person who wishes not to be tied to any one nation. These people see humanity as one and do not like the idea of nationalism, patriotism, racism, or any other segregating ideology. A world citizen sees themself first as a member of mankind.

At other times its complete and utter shite

woman12345 · 23/04/2017 19:54

Good definition rufus, that'll be me then, with no flags thanks.Smile At least I think I'm from this planet. Confused recently I've started to wonder.

BigGrannyPants · 23/04/2017 20:19

I never have and never will vote Tory.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 23/04/2017 20:20

woman

Grin Brew
JanetBrown2015 · 23/04/2017 20:23

Why is May the best of the choices we have? Loads of reasons. The Tories are the only party who will manage our economy properly and understand we cannot keep spending what we don't have.

They support our nuclear deterrent and peace in the UK is actually our most important issue.

The wisest politicians at the moment will try to commit to as little as possible on tax and spending as we have the biggest challenge in decades ahead of us with brexit and indeed not committing to the triple lock on state pension (which still leaves state pensioners with the other 2 parts of the lock) is extremely sensbile and supported by many mumsnetters who are youing parents and have seen far too much cash going to OAPs and not to young families. Howeve May has not yet issued anything on that but I include it as itw as in the original post.

I am particularly pleased to vote for a party which keeps options open on finances as we do not know how bad things will be ahead so that's a plus point not a negative. Labour promises the moon and that is not appealing to voters.

The Tories are doing so well with the economy - we have many more in employment, are ahead of other EU nations and the IMF was only just recently saying how well we were goind Go May - well done, pat on back.

She will be good at negotiating brexit too. It's all looking good - the best of a bad job - most of us didn't want Brexit in the first place.

So that and many other reasons are why I and I bet the country will vote for May.

I appreciate not everyone holds my views and plenty will vote Labour but we were asked to give our views and there are some of them.

If conservatives keep silent the left will think everyone agrees with them and that is definitely not so. June will prove it not so.