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Westministenders: Oh No Not Another One. Thread that is.

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RedToothBrush · 22/04/2017 12:19

In this edition of Westministers we play a game of ‘Where are they now?’

In June 2016 our screens were subjected to the sight of a number of particularly vocal MPs who participated in debates and stood on soap boxes to talk about the referendum.

The most noticeable of these for Leave were perhaps Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Gisela Stuart, Nigel Farage, Priti Patel and Kate Hoey. For Remain it was David Cameron, George Osborne, Jeremy Corbyn, Ruth Davidson, Sadiq Khan, Nicola Sturgeon, Nick Clegg and Tim Farron.

It is starting to seem that anyone involved in campaigning either for or against Brexit in June 2016 has faced an epic battle for survival. Just how long can they last before being defeated or conceding defeat.

David Cameron’s scalp was the first to go, as he swanned off leaving everyone to clear up his mess.

Boris Johnson, who was keen to stamp his mark and pitch for the leadership by stitching up Cameron, got stitched up by Michael Gove who also lost his own bid for leadership as a result.

Johnson, of course, still lives to fight another day by getting a nice job as Theresa’s whipping boy. He’s occasionally let out by himself, but its Michael Fallon who does the ‘Grown Up Business’. He was said to be one of the last to support an early election. I can’t think why that might be.

Poor old Gove is now confined to a straight-jacket, the back benches where he’s been told to think about what he’s done like a naughty school child and a column in the Times

Andrea Leadsom was sent to a field of cows never to be seen again except to pop up for the odd cameo line shouting about ‘Jam’.

Queen Theresa also dealt with the other Conservative Leader Leave Candidate Mr Liam Fox, by shipping him off to every dodgy corner of the global to get pampered by state hostility.

Stephen Crabb simply crawled back under his rock.

The announcement of the General Election seems to be like the major soap incident episode where half the cast get killed off by a totally unrealistic disaster because their acting contracts weren’t being renewed.

The quitters and abdicators who now have legged it at the sight of a General Election are Gisela ‘Champion of the Brexit Bus’ Stuart and Nigel ‘Too chicken to be defeated for an eighth time and risk losing my nice EU pension’ Farage. George Osborne took the advice of his school teachers and had another career to fall back on when he didn’t become successful in his first choice.

Its rather starting to look like the curse of being a leading Brexiteer is to be made to disappear off the face of the earth or fuck off when the going gets tough. Have you seen Priti Patel lately? Does she even still exist? And Chris Grayling? He was convinced he was going to get chancellor when he supported May in her bid for the leadership.
Instead he got packed off transport and disappeared off the face of the earth much to the annoyance of everyone caught up in the rail strikes.

The only one who is remotely visible seems to be David Davis and is like May’s pet poodle who just tries to please his owner.

It’s almost like the only one still standing or hasn’t been banished is Kate Hoey. And the Lib Dems are trying to work on that one and make her sink beneath the waves, on board her Alan Partridge Titanic once and for all.

Conversely the visible Remainers seem to be – on the face of it - fairing rather better at the moment.

Sadiq Khan is hugely popular and actually does his job rather than fannying about on zip wires. Ruth Davidson is also well respected and apparently has saved Priti Patel’s job from abolition. If the rumours are to be believed bored with scrapping with Nicola, she might be lining herself up for ‘Big Things’ in Westminister. Cameron’s one time love interest, Nick Clegg hasn’t shaken the tarnish of the coalition but he is enjoying a new reputation as the Brexit Soothsayer and some people actually know who Tim Farron is now, which is progress. Nicola Sturgeon is of course riding high and seems to be a permanent thorn in Theresa’s side.

Jeremy ‘I’m a Remainer, honest comrades’ Corbyn is the one who seems to be something of a walking disaster area yet is also thriving with it like a zombie who just keeps going regardless of what you throw at him.

And then of course there is Queen Theresa. The Remainer. Who has crushed everyone in her party. Not just the saboteurs. Even her supposed ally Hammond and BBF Rudd have been thrown under the bus at her wimb when its suited May personally.

The General Election now sets a new scene and opportunity for new characters to emerge. Now the rats have left the ship or been put in their place.

Will May set course to the left or to the right or simply plow on like a bull in a china shop?

Anyway I’m now looking forward to the shocking soap opera moment where your favourite hero or villain gets killed off in a twist you didn’t see coming. Role on June 8th. If only to get pass the upcoming horror of the next six weeks.

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Badders123 · 24/04/2017 09:03

Fuck me
The DM headline this morning!!
I thought I was past being shocked...
Going back to its pro Mosley days?

HashiAsLarry · 24/04/2017 09:03

It speaks massive volumes that nowadays we're having to separate out those who hate everyone who isn't white indigenous yes, I get the massive irony there especially re brits and just hating a subsection of people. Sad

PolynesianGirl · 24/04/2017 09:05

woman the British stance is t that surprising TBH.

You need to remember that right and left in politics is seen is a very different way in France and in the uk.
The Tories would be classified as extreme right in France, esp for their policies re cutting cutting benefits, no regulation etc.
And Blair would have been from the right (maybe center right).
Which in return means that anyone who is from the left/socialist is seen as communist over here....

Basically, you have people analysing stuff that happen in a different country/culture with their cultural bias and arriving to a conclusion that has nothing to do with the reality (very common thing to see btw)

squoosh · 24/04/2017 09:08

'Fuck me
The DM headline this morning!!
I thought I was past being shocked...
Going back to its pro Mosley days?'

It's proper Hurrah for the Blackshirts stuff isn't it?

Motheroffourdragons · 24/04/2017 09:09

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RedToothBrush · 24/04/2017 09:11

Macron is mates with Chuka Umunna. There is some talk that in time this will help Labour though I haven't got the foggiest clue why.

Also not much being made in press about how the make up of the French parliament will affect him. He doesn't have a party behind him so how is he going to convince it to back his plans? He could be a lame duck, in which case this could fuel problems in the future, noting that Le Pen supporters come from different age group to Brexit and Trump supporters.

In terms of how Macron will affect Brexit? He's not going to our best friend is a good way of putting it.

medium.com/@chrishanretty/warning-signs-for-labour-50b6cd1501d8
Warning signs for Labour
Data from the British Election Study suggest Conservatives are piling up votes in Labour-held seats

Chris Hanretty article on distribution of voters by party.

It's not good for Labour. Or UKIP. Or the LDs. Or the SNP.

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53rdWay · 24/04/2017 09:15

well, next time someone says it's unfair to criticise the Daily Mail for supporting fascists because that was aaaaaaages ago and they wouldn't do it now... here they are, literally doing it now.

Peregrina · 24/04/2017 09:18

Data from the British Election Study suggest Conservatives are piling up votes in Labour-held seats

If you read all the threads where once Labour voters are saying that they are voting Tory because they don't like Corbyn, then this is not a surprise.

Our questions about whether they will be happy to see health and education services wrecked, and worker protection destroyed, falls on deaf ears. "Oh that won't happen." I am 100% sure that it will. Sadly as with all the current privatisations, it will be done by stealth, so people won't see it happening. Then there is a disconnect - they won't see that their once secure job disappearing is a consequence of their vote.

prettybird · 24/04/2017 09:44

Love Hmm the way that the DM conveniently ignores the fact that MLP came 2nd and that she reigned back her anti-EU stance after the Brexit vote.

It's also interesting reading some of the analysis of her, describing her as "far-right"......yet if anything she (and her party's proposed policies) is to the left of our current government (which itself looks like it will move further right). Confused

When is our MSM going to start accurately describing the Conservative Party as "Far Right"? Hmm

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2017 09:55

Kevin Schofield @PolHomeEditor
I think there's going to be a lot of "What Jeremy meant to say was ..." interviews with senior Labour MPs over the next 6 weeks. #today

www.lawgazette.co.uk/comment-and-opinion/will-liz-truss-be-shuffled/5060734.article
Speculation that Liz Truss will be shuffled.

Michael Fabricant @Mike_Fabricant
I suspect it's the rural areas supporting Macron and the more urban areas, where there are more immigrants, supporting Le Pen.
Nothing like a Tory MP showing up their own predijudice by spouting totally the opposite to what the reality is, is there?

Noteworthy Let Pen got just 5% in Paris.

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Lico · 24/04/2017 09:57

There is also a difference with the media. There are newspapers such as The Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express in France. Many people read their regional newspaper.

colleges.ac-rouen.fr/cahingt/pedagogie/data/documents/reperes_hg/journaux_francais_nationaux.pdf

I agree with one of the posters.
There are different sub-groups of racism in France. A lot of anti Belgian jokes too..

If you were a French person born ,say in Nice, and decided to move to Grasse, you will always be a 'foreigner' to those born and brought up in Grasse! This parochial trait is even more developed in the 'sticks' !!!

Lico · 24/04/2017 09:59

Sorry , I meant that there are NO newspapers such as The Sun, The Mail or the Daily Express!!!

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squoosh · 24/04/2017 10:03

The cover of the Times is just as bad as the Mail 'French elite humiliated as outsiders sweep to victory' and an accompanying photo of a jubilant MLP. Brexit press determined to get behind her as if she wins and there's then a Frexit it will legitimise (in their eyes) all the Brexit bullshit. They'll have an ally.

Never mind the fact she's an avowed fascist.

Lico · 24/04/2017 10:15

I agree with you Squoosh, I find this incredible re British media. Complete ignorance of French history and French people.
They just write superficial comments as though they were talking about the British system and electorate.
So ignorant

Lico · 24/04/2017 10:23

Macron and Le Pen anti establishment ?😄. They are the establishment.

Macron: Jesuits,Lycee Henri IV, Sciences Po, ENA

Le Pen, criminal lawyer surrounded by ENA advisers!!!

www.marianne.net/politique/jean-messiha-le-nouveau-techno-de-marine-le-pen

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2017 10:40

Esther McVey shortlisted for Tatton.

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RedToothBrush · 24/04/2017 10:44

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/might-zac-goldsmith-crawl-back-tories-richmond/

And the rumour mill suggesting Zac Goldsmith is looking for revenge against Sarah Olney.

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Mistigri · 24/04/2017 10:47

Macron and Le Pen anti establishment ?😄. They are the establishment.

I know. It's a bizarre narrative, especially for Macron. But as we all know it ain't hard to sell drivel about EU politics to a clueless anglophone market.

53rdWay · 24/04/2017 10:47

Yeah, I'm not even sure what "anti-establishment" means any more. I think "elite" currently means "anyone politically left of the hard right", but I am open to suggestions.

Mistigri · 24/04/2017 10:51

Also not much being made in press about how the make up of the French parliament will affect him. He doesn't have a party behind him so how is he going to convince it to back his plans?

En marche will be putting up candidates in a large number of constituencies. But given his wide support from the centre right (Juppé) through to the centre left (valls) it should be possible to cobble together a coalition. It seems to work for Germany, and with the benefit of the retrospectoscope, it wasn't too terrible in the UK either ...

Cloudgaga · 24/04/2017 10:51

"I agree with you Squoosh, I find this incredible re British media. Complete ignorance of French history and French people.
They just write superficial comments as though they were talking about the British system and electorate.
So ignorant"

This country's willful ignorance of other European countries and their ways of life is one of the reasons we have Brexit. It reflect insular thinking. Just like we don't like learning other languages as everyone else in Europe speaks English so what's the point? It's arrogant and our undoing.

HashiAsLarry · 24/04/2017 11:00

misti it makes me laugh, all this fear of coalition. It works in many other countries. It worked here. I mean it wasn't unicorns and rainbows, but two years of non coalition and now everything is on fire. I'd rather have not particularly great over this shit any day.

Lico · 24/04/2017 11:00

Interesting , still no results for the French Expats.

Big turnout in London:
I suspect results between Fillon and Macron. French living in Hackney and Shoreditch: Macron..
French living in South Ken, Wembley , Hampstead: Fillon Grin
Let's see

elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/

PolynesianGirl · 24/04/2017 11:02

Aren't more or less all politicians coming out of the ENA anyway? Or are surrounded by 'aides' coming out from there?

Tbh these are very bright people. The problem is that they often completely out of touch with reality. And they all think/see things the same way (because they've been all trained exactly the same way)