Remainers - What do you want? When do you want it?

[optionalrationale]

We had the referendum, we had the legal challenge, we had the Supreme Court ruling, Article 50 has been triggered. The United Kingdom will no longer be part of the European Union.

So my questions to Remainers are
What do you want? When do you want it?

Here's what I want..

I want the negotiations to go well. I want future relations with our neighbours to be cordial. I want a good deal for UK and the EU. I want us to walk away if their demands are unacceptable (and stem from vindictiveness and to deter other members from following our lead). I want the UK to be free to make good trade deals with any country it wants. I want the UK to lead in creating a new model of trade without excessive interference in each partner's social and political arena.

Sorry it might be Timmy Fallon. I blame the Daily Fail for him not being a household name, great leader that he is, valiantly leading 9 DimLib MPs for the sake of righteousness and integrity. He is very, VERY, relevant. Honest.

optional - do you know which party I support?

Jimmy Fallon is the leader of the Dim Liberal party.

So witty. I expect you also have one of those posters at work that says 'You don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps.' Do you call the Guardian the Grauniad, too, because that's always hilarious?

You should start one

What?

Really!

How embarrassing for you!

Twofingers I do indeed always call it The Grauniad. But to be fair, I also always refer to The Daily Fail, and The Torygraph.

So I think you will find I am continuing a noble tradition here.

He is very, VERY, relevant. Honest.
Well, he certainly seems to have got you rattled, OP.

GraceGrape
"I have lived in Wallonia and don't think you understand the system of governance there. Belgium is a federation."

I am in Brussels every second week and I can tell you that the action of the Walloon parliament was widely viewed as an embarrassment and they were deeply worried as to how this would characterise the nation that hosts the executive of the EU. Stories of Italy allegedly blocking the deal with Australia in order to get special treatment for Italian plum tomatoes also then add fuel to fire that then EU in practice is a highly protectionist customs union whose first priority is the vested interests of German industry and French agriculture

Twofingers
I would say inspired not rattled

'You don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps.' Do you call the Guardian the Grauniad, too, because that's always hilarious?

I always think of Colin Hunt (Fast Show) whenever I see those signs twofingers

The German speaking region / portion of Belgium? (quoting optional in at least two posts this morning)

This explains everything - I have fallen through a wormhole in space-time and fetched up in a parallel universe.

Seriously though, optional, surely you must see that any argument you make is fatally undermined by your inability to get important and well-known facts correct, e.g. one of the most salient features of the state of Belgium.

If anyone is interested (serious point), the story of Italian manufacturers dumping their excess supply of tinned plum tomatoes on Australia makes for fascinating reading and might up your precious EU into a new light. Local Australian producers being forced out of the Aussie market because Italian producers have the weight of the EU subsidies behind them.

For those with noble environmental credentials, how do you feel that the EU enables and equips Italian agriculture to pack tomatoes in Italy, put them on ships all the way to Australia and dump them on that market because, unlike the EU, the Aussie govt does not pay its tomato growers to grow food it doesn't need and artificially protect high prices in Europe?

Does that make you proud?

BTW, nothing wrong with calling the Guardian the Grauniad, provided you were reading the paper in the days when typos really were a much-loved feature. Like me.

Patty, Belgium does have a small German-speaking region in the East. As I said upthread, it has a complicated history!

PattyPenguin
The German-speaking Community (German: Parlament der Deutschsprachigen Gemeinschaft or PDG) is the legislative assembly of the German-speaking Community of Belgium based in Eupen

The point is though, that this is the governmental system of Belgium, a member-state of the EU, which is democratically respected by the EU institutions. If it tried to override these arrangements on issues that require ratification from individual member-states, then that would be undemocratic.

Patti
It is one third the size of Islington but has veto power over any trade deal negotiated by your precious EU. The fact that you don't even know of its existence is surely more embarrassing than my not knowing that it is actually Timmy Mallet who leads the DimLebs, and not Jimmy Fallon as stated earlier

Sorry it might be Timmy Fallon. I blame the Daily Fail for him not being a household name, great leader that he is, valiantly leading 9 DimLib MPs for the sake of righteousness and integrity. He is very, VERY, relevant. Honest.

Jesus Christ. It's impossible to have a sensible discussion with people so entirely ignorant of domestic politics. I haven't bothered to look up the OP's posting history, but would be prepared to have a small bet on this person not being British.

Your point regarding the Italian manufacturers is slightly behind the times, there were rulings from the Australian federal government in 2014 and 2016, the 2016 one was regarding anti dumping rules.

It was expected to be a great boost to Australia's ONLY producer SPC Ardmona ( who have been the only producer for a considerable amount of time).

So really you've misconstrued facts to suit an agenda, again.

I think Claig walks again.

unlike the EU, the Aussie govt does not pay its tomato growers to grow food it doesn't need

Oh dear, we seem to have fetched up in 1995.

Indeed. You might as well go debate with the contents of your sock drawer, which will certainly not know any less about UK politics.

I think Claig walks again Of course! Surreal postings explained.

Mistigri
How much did you bet? Do you think a non British person would know about Cleckheaton? Hmmmm?

Danny
The fact there was only one Aussie producer was a symptom not a cause. If your market is having a commoditised product dumped on it from the other side of the world at below marke prices, how on earth does that create a level playing field for new market entrants?