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Deffo shows the understanding of your average leaver.

Its good that you think its done, cause your going to be terribly disappointed with the end deal.

Wave that flag hard now.

Wave that flag hard now

...and fast, before you have to cut out the blue bits!

Like this one?

It is pretty much done now, we are leaving. None of the remoaners managed to insert a wrecking clause and Gina Miller didn't get her way.

So I dont get what more there is to say, the next 2 years will probably be boring for leavers, remoaners will probably scream blue murder every time there is a leak saying its a disaster. But its all up to the negotiators now, good luck to them, come back in 2 years for the celebrations to end all celebrations. And party like its 2099.

"Gina Miller didn't get her way."

She did, the government had to take it to parliament, and they didn't want to.

The next two years are going to be really interesting, as almost every single one of the promises are either compromised on or dropped and your victory is nothing more than symbolic, and shambolic.

She did, the government had to take it to parliament, and they didn't want to

That was the mechanism she was using to allow MPs to reject the result of an overwhelming referendum. It back fired on her when Parliament voted over overwhelmingly to endorse an unamended bill supporting the result of the referendum.

If she has somehow got what she wants she wouldn't be threatening another legal challenge to the government to stop Brexit.

I hope the next few years are interesting, I suspect they will be quite boring punctuated by unsubstantiated leaks followed by caterwauling for a few days. Ending in a deal that most people will think is reasonable, JC will fail to convince anyone except a few loons that its a disaster, UKIP will implode and the LD will have a leadership change.

"The result of an overwhelming referendum."

The result wasn't overhwelming at all, in fact its almost as close as you can get.

She got what she wanted, she never said she wanted the result over turned but that it had to go to parliament.

I think the next few years will mean leave voters bleating that this wasn't what they voted for.

We are insulated against the economic impact, cause we're lucky, but many aren't and they are going to feel it. Especially in areas that voted to leave.

The result of an overwhelming referendum
How is more people in UK voting for something, than have ever voted for anything in the UK, not overwhelming? It pretty dam tooting overwhelming.

she never said she wanted the result over turned but that it had to go to parliament I think that's whats called 'plausible deniability' or as we call it now, 'Spin'.

leave voters bleating that this wasn't what they voted for
Do you really think Brexit will be stopped? I for one will be happy as long as we have left the EU, all the rest of the stuff I am happy to campaign for in UK general elections.

We are insulated against the economic impact, cause we're lucky
Really, its all just luck? I am sure some areas of the UK will be better or worse off post EU, but isn't that normal in most countries? We will be able to vote to try and change that in our next general election.

Definitve - yes.
Overwhelming - No.

ITs not overwheling because nearly as many people voted against it as for it. A 60/40 split could be described as a good win, 70/30 as overwhelming. 3.9% is not overwhelming, but its expedient for you to dress it up as so. The only way its overwhelming, is if you don't look at the size of the vote against it. When together, it isn't an overwhelming win.

"I think that's whats called 'plausible deniability' or as we call it now, 'Spin'."

No the spin was saying she was trying to block brexit, and whipping up hate against her.

"Do you really think Brexit will be stopped?"

No but it won't result in many, if any of the things that were promised ( or people think were promised) happening. Immigration won't go down, the economy will suffer, the much vaunted trade deals won't be nearly as great as they were made out to be, and regions dependent on EU funding and trade will suffer.

"We will be able to vote to try and change that in our next general election."

We could always vote to change things in general elections, what we won't be able to do in future is have an influence on how things that directly effect British people and firms are dealt with in our biggest trading partner.

It's amazing how brexitlandlady never posts other than starting the thread, then popped up exactly on cue in between surfers posts isn't it?

As for it going quiet here- I agree there's not much left to say- it's becoming clearer everyday that this whole exercise is a pointless farce.

Leavers must be looking on in dismay as each one of the very few assurances they were given, is renaged upon.

You keep convincing yourselves it's what you expected but the fact is the EU have made it very clear we are not going to get our cake and eat it and they are going to look after their own.

I'd bet FOM is going to naturally decline because fewer people will want to come to a country that's so outwardly hostile towards immigrants, therefore the government will get to say it's reduced anyway so we can actually keep the 4 freedoms and we'll carry on as we were.

Either that or we will end up committing economic suicide by leaving with no deal just to appease TM's vanity.

A 72.2% turnout is pretty overwhelming nowadays.

Would have been higher, but Scotland & NI only managed 67.2% & 62.7%.

The Turnout is overwhelming, but the result was not.

Don't conflate the two.

The turnout might have been overwhelming but the majority was not.

You can't claim more people voting Leave than anything else before makes it 'overwhelmning' when only slightly fewer voted against it.

Why all the Gina Miller hate? I don't just mean on here.
I genuinely don't get it. She is an ordinary (albeit wealthy) woman who had every right to use the legal system to ensure that the process was carried out in a democratic, transparent way. What with all the frothing about "sovereignty" "taking back control" and "un-elected autocrats", I would have thought that the fight to ensure that Parliament got a chance to debate Brexit would be welcomed?
I haven't noticed GM courting publicity by making deliberately provocative statements, thrusting herself onto QT every other week, threatening to set fire to things she doesn't like, or stirring up divisions like some wealthy, politically minded individuals.

Yes CountMagnus, like that one. Shame to see even the dragon looks ready to run off, though...any chance you could stick a horn on that and turn it into a unicorn?

Then we could rename it the Unicorn Jack/Flag. Sorted.

"What with all the frothing about "sovereignty" "taking back control" and "un-elected autocrats", I would have thought that the fight to ensure that Parliament got a chance to debate Brexit would be welcomed?"

Its that point that makes me think that the sovereignty point was really an attempt to give a respectable point for people who didn't want to admit what their vote was really about. Once the victory came they didn't give a stuff about democracy and sovereignty.

*The Turnout is overwhelming, but the result was not.

Don't conflate the two.*

It was you who chose to conflate the two.

It's a good thing Miller is wealthy, because she has been forced to spend a lot of money on private security, cannot leave the house at weekends, nor use public transport anymore due to the volume of death and rape threats she now receives.

Lord Strange of Knockin sounds like a right twat too:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/viscount-rhodri-colwyn-philipps-gina-miller-facebook-post-charged-racially-aggravated-remain-brexit-a7666301.html

No, the discussion was to whether the result was overhwelming stemming from this post:

"How is more people in UK voting for something, than have ever voted for anything in the UK, not overwhelming?"

That is directly regarding the result.

But then someone who stands up in the EU Parliament and compares his colleagues to the mafia is to be admired and lauded.

Maybe overwhelming can be ambiguous. So instead, 34 million voting in the referendum was unprecedented. The winning margin was about the same that a political party needs to win a majority and form a government at parliament. So very significant.

No the spin was saying she was trying to block brexit
If GM only wanted Parliament to have a say then her legal action wasn't needed because they had already voted overwhelmingly to ask the people to decide. She was asking Parliament to vote again, why would anyone do that if they didn't want to get a different result?

No but it won't result in many, if any of the things that were promised
You could be right, but Project Fear warned of the very dire consequences and yet people still voted leave. So I think many people will accept the risk of a hit if it means getting out of the EU. And if low immigration is so important to enough people they will have the forum, which they dont have at the moment to change it, ie a UK general election.

We could always vote to change things in general elections
No, we weren't allowed to end FOM, do unilateral trade deals etc etc at general elections because that would have been illegal. We will only be able to do that when we have left the EU.

No Danny, it wasn't.

Anon:
That was the mechanism she was using to allow MPs to reject the result of an overwhelming referendum.

You:
*"The result of an overwhelming referendum."

The result wasn't overhwelming at all, in fact its almost as close as you can get.*

Anon:
How is more people in UK voting for something, than have ever voted for anything in the UK, not overwhelming? It pretty dam tooting overwhelming.

You chose to conflate the two, Danny.
No one else.
'The result of an overwhelming referendum' is not^ the same as saying the result^ was overwhelming.

In fact, in this post you conflated the two again!!

^No, the discussion was to whether the result was overhwelming stemming from this post:

"How is more people in UK voting for something, than have ever voted for anything in the UK, not overwhelming?"

That is directly regarding the result.^

"because they had already voted overwhelmingly to ask the people to decide"

They didn't the referendum bill clearly said that the referendum was advisory, it needed to go through parliament what ever the result.

Lots of "Project Fear" appears to becoming reality right now. I don't think people will accept the hit of leaving the EU at all, all the promises made did influence people, and they will want to see these things happening. Its unlikely that many if any of them will, except leaving the EU.

Best one ever is immigration, which if you;re honest was the biggest driver of the leave vote, won't fall.

You can't vote for unilateral trade deals at general elections, cause the British electorate doesn't decide the terms of trade deals.

The whole thing was about immigration, and the problem with immigration isn't the immigrants, its people's attitudes towards them. Immigration has been a massive issue in the UK since the 1950s its not really to do with the EU.

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