So the good times are about to roll....are they?

[herethereandeverywhere]

I wanted to ask on another thread, but they are all bunfight-y.

I am a remainer so I feel very depressed about today. I would like some reassurance from brexiters about what I have to look forwards to.

I'm afraid 'taking back control' isn't clear enough to me, so an explanation of what will be different if that's the theme you will go for.

So far, since the vote, my family has lost £10,000s and my husband's current job/role has been placed in jeopardy. I have probably lost the ability to automatically continue to work in an EU country in under 2 years time (I currently live in Germany, though this was intended to be temporary). I have dear friends relocating out of London since the banks are shifting jobs due to Brexit so I'm not sure who I would be moving back to. My house is worth less and I'm less likely to be able to sell it if I do want to move. I'll need to get the kids Irish passports if I want them to benefit from the EU.

So cheer me up - we're set for a brighter future aren't we? What can I look forwards to?

poisonous smurf another communist - how vile.

UK voters, especially in England are right of center.
The EU is clearly left of center.
The out voters in the UK did not want political union with the EU for this reason.
The short term economic arguments of being in or out the EU were secondary.

I know. Let's think if the others. Strain on the NHS (from all those eu tax payers) nope still racist if not economic.

Borders blah blah again the same

Hmmm scratching head. And still no benefits

However I do have one.....our collective sense of superiority over other nations will be brought crashing down when everyone realises what a fuck up it is. Now that is a benefit!

Southall don't remember that on the campaign. Love to see your analysis on this one and the basis and definition of left and right of center

southall you are embarrassing yourself now.

So leaving the EU will allow us to shift Rightwards?
Finally! A "benefit" is outlined.
Even if it does confirm what some of were worried about.

UK voters, especially in England are right of center. The EU is clearly left of center.The out voters in the UK did not want political union with the EU for this reason.

Really? I thought the EU was only focused on the rich and its neo-liberalism and the effects on Southern Europe was one of the reason we didn't want to remain? Which is it?

By the way southall - it's centre not center - UK English please in our new Utopia

I've tried to put myself in the shoes of a leave voter for the purposes of this thread and come up with some sensible ideas about how things could get better:

There will be more jobs - fruit picking on your knees for 22 hrs a day.
Less regulation - employers can sack you at the drop of a hat.
We make our own rules - the Tories let loose on our rights.
More money for the NHS - huge tax rises or worse.
Less immigrants - a national of white racists.
Control of our borders - there is no escape.

Leave voters have been living on fantasy island for the last 9 months. That island will sink.

The country is right of centre? That is why the last government was a coalition, and the libdems had talks with Labour and the Conservatives. It was only a matter of couple of seats that threw it to the right. Then the government before that was?

Unless of course all those new voters, the young, are taking us to the right

I think we need to stop talking in terms of right and left and start thinking about power and the threat of authoritarian control of powerless people.

Oh but don't forget, there will be less strain on the NHS with fewer immigrants.

However there will also be fewer nurses, midwives, HCAs and doctors. Partly because of Brexit and partly because our incompetent arsehole government thought it would be a great idea to remove the NHS bursary at the same time as alienating EU workers who previously wanted to come here.

Namechanger fruit picking yes! We can go back to the 70s pre benefits days where mums like mine took their kids fruit picking all day. We ran around the farms trying not to get killed on the machinery looked after tge little ones including babies and by the time we were ten we were picking for 10p an hour

Oh happy days. No health and safety or proper benefits systems or prevention of under age working. Can't wait

If things were reversed:

If Most EU governments were mainly right of center like the Tory party.

In this scenario you lot would have voted for Brexit, regardless of the short term economic consequences as well.

In fact the Remainers i know only voted to remain because the EU is left of center and our current UK government is not.

regardless of the short term economic consequences as well

I assume you're expecting to live to be 300, if you think that 20-30 years minimum is "short-term"?

No, I wouldn't Southall. Governments change.
I know several Conservative voters who voted Remain, because they understand the economic risks of Brexit.

Southall so all leavers are right wing and all remainers are left wing

Oh dear. You haven't been paying attention have you

Which way do you think the far left voted? Clue...it wasn't remain

If one of us said that all leavers were right wing, we would be accused of dreadfully smearing leaver voters, and blamed for scaring them off the thread!

Oh dear Southall do you really think that Cameron is left wing? George Osborne? Theresa May, when she wore her Remain hat? (Who probably isn't anything but 'what is good for me?'), Amber Rudd? Should I go on?

Leavers voted to make the country more right-wing and to be a tax haven for the wealthy (unlike those dodgy left-wing Europeans), yet at the same time voted because they alone care about about the left-behind and disadvantaged who will all be reaping the rewards of a new socialist nirvana (unlike those dodgy right-wing Europeans)...

Of course, both can be true - because each person voted for their own personal vision of Brexit - but it remains to be seen which version of our glorious future pans out.

(But we're going back to Reasons, rather than Looking Ahead).

Op: please try to renegotiate your contracts into the currency if the country you live in - it leaves you very vulnerable to fluctuations in exchange rate otherwise. I live in Sweden and if I was paid in £ I'd have seen dramatic fluctuations in my pay.

I voted for remain. Almost everyone in my family voted to leave - they live in a seriously deprived bit of Yorkshire and they've seen jobs go, inequality rise and a huge influx of people who have not integrated or made positive contributions. It's alright me banging on about the benefits of Europe - it's been good for me but that's not their loved experience - they voted leave and to be honest, I can understand why.
The left made a colossal error in my opinion - firstly they didn't really allay some of the quite genuine concerns people have with the current structure of European govt. secondly they patronised people - you cannot win a debate by shouting racist/thick at people which I'm afraid so much of the debate was - you need to address their concerns. Thirdly, they concentrated on things like the positive effects on the economy. No one in page hall in Sheffield gives a flying fuck about x% of GDP rise when they have a massive influx of incomers who don't integrate, leave colossal amounts of rubbish and their schools are suddenly overfilled. An intelligent campaign would have addressed those concerns - what are the plans for better integration? Language class? School places? Community cohesion and policing? Those are what people wanted to hear. What they got was a 'shut up, you racists.'

So they voted leave.

I'm a passionate believer in Europe - I'm very very sad we are leaving and I will try to get A Swedish passport.

I see no immediate benefits. The powers that be have no desire to reduce immigration- it fuels their cheap labour. I see an erosion of workers rights, an erosion of environmental protections. In short, I see the average British worker getting totally shafted.

As always.

they voted leave and to be honest, I can understand why.

But predominantly their gripe was against Westminster, which Cameron, Osborne, May (when pretending to be a Remainer) couldn't argue for in a month of Sundays because the question would be 'Why haven't you done something then'?

So your Leave voting relatives now need to tell Theresa May what they expect. Healthcare? More jobs? Better transport? The ball is in their court now.

Thanks to everyone who pointed out that I didn't ask for the reasons people voted - that's all academic now.

Southhall has pointed out I am a 'loser' in the 'Great Winners and Losers of Brexit' but I want to know who will be a winner? What great benefits will we see and for whom?

To be honest I find the 'I don't have to answer to you, especially if you're being mean' stance rather childish. If there are good robust reasons say them! If you are not sure, say so! If it could go 50/50 on a reason, fine! Brexit is happening and I want to see some positives to cheer me along.

I'm from an area decimated by Thatcher and the Tories in the 80s. All my family and lots of old friends are still there, it received EU funding as a result. I've moved away and made my own money but have an interest in the lives of those who did not - this is absolutely not a woe is me thread. It would be great to see things improve, if not for me then for someone! I also find the 'I'm glad 'the rich' will suffer now rather sickening. I'm not rich. It took decades of hard hard work to achieve the little I have. Noone gave me leg up or a head start and there are many more like me. It's just spiteful to wish ill on others like that.

Fishing (provided there are enough fish) and farming will improve - which is nice for those individuals but hardly going to replace the tax receipts of the the City bankers leaving in droves to Frankfurt and Paris. It's those tax receipts that are propping up the NHS, education, social care (barely as it is). Do we need to give the Tories an excuse to slash budgets further once tax receipts fall?

I'd love a return to manufacturing so that the struggling manual workers had skilled roles instead of packing Amazon boxes on zero hour contracts - but I can't see exiting the EU will help that - not with the cost bases in the Far East being so much lower.

I'm not rich. It took decades of hard hard work to achieve the little I have. Noone gave me leg up or a head start and there are many more like me. It's just spiteful to wish ill on others like that.

It's not those though, it's the Camerons and Johnsons of the world who inherit wealth and know how to pass it on. Actually having to work for their money might have done them some good.

Fishing won't improve - because as you qualify your remarks 'provided there are enough fish' and there aren't. Blaming the EU when you have overfished won't make them suddenly re-appear.

No one is predicting an improvement for farming as yet either.

UK voters, especially in England are right of center.
The EU is clearly left of center
The out voters in the UK did not want political union with the EU for this reason
The short term economic arguments of being in or out the EU were secondary

I disagree with you southall. I'm on the left and I voted leave and it is in no way because I see the EU as too far left. The point for me is about democracy. I want people in the UK to be able to choose their government and to be able to influence political decisions between elections. We can do this with the UK government and parliament. We can't, I don't believe in any meaningful way with the EU.

I also believe that the labels of left and right are becoming less and less useful. The analysis I have seen does not suggest voting in the referendum was a left -right issue on the whole. And I honestly don't know what "the left" means any more, as the last few months have suggested that I lot of the values I thought I had in common with other people on the left are not so generally held (respect for democracy, respects for working class and less educated people, that sort of radical idea).

Times are changing fast, and we need a political system which is adaptable and flexible and responsive to people's opinions. We don't get this in the EU.

Interested to see that namechanger and poorboy are happy to say that any concerns about immigration or the effects thereof are racist. Good luck with that. You do know that more than 70% of the population were unhappy with the current level of immigration before the referendum campaigns started? It's almost like shouting racists at anyone who mentions wanting control of immigration as a reason for leaving the EU is a tactic to smear the leave campaign and try to frighten people off voting leave, isn't it?