Westministenders: Danger of "accidental" Brexit (whoops !) ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

i.e. Brexit without a deal - NOT intentionally so - due to UK govt incompetence and mutual UK/EU misunderstandings

The govt is proceeding from abysmal ignorance on a Brexit journey which may blunder into disaster.

Prominent Leave campaigner Richard North:

"The UK Government's narrative seems to rest on the belief that the EU will cave in under pressure, and is thus giving every sign that it is prepared to push negotiations to the wire.

If, on the other hand, the EU are determined not to budge, especially as, with their own White Paper on "The Future of Europe" triggering internal discussions unrelated to Brexit, they are not necessarily fully focused on the "British problem".

As a result, we could end up with an "accidental Brexit",
where the UK negotiators overplay their hand, ending up in the UK leaving without an agreement, forcing it to rely on WTO rules.

Most likely, it will take very little to convince the EU that Mrs May is bluffing – as the effect of the WTO option is likely to be disastrous for the UK economy.

We could thus have each side misreading each other, making the accidental Brexit all the more likely."

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86395

mother To cheer you up, I am watching The Man in the High Castle. It followed the development of several Nazi ideas into the 1960s. It is very very creepy and logical. And familiar. Also viewers find themselves desperately praying that Hitler survives a bit longer, as his mates are even more psychotic.

Looked at the news today then came here.
I'm despairing, really despairing.

Have you see the article saying that the BBC has been told to stop putting so many negative stuff about Brexit or thatbthey will face fines for not being impartial?
And then Every single article today was about how Brexit wo a deal would be a nightmare (but that the Brexit ministers are quite relaxed at the idea of having no deal and only WTO).

I want to cry.
Or hide in a hole until things are sorted out.

Mother they are used like they were in apartheid South Africa for population control. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws

Mother, the difference in band between the U.K. and us may be balancing the security threat with the need to ensure that high net worth individuals can still come to their London pads and shop at Harrods, even if they need to set off from a different airport or change en route.

Or is that too cynical?

Mother I think the key is not to look at these things in terms of logic, that way lies madness these days. If you instead put yourself in the shoes of the decision makers who have been asked to brownose Trump whilst not upsetting the "people" and the rich "elites" then it all starts to make sense..........

I have been missing the trolls, glad to see the one with an even worse wandering accent than that other JRM in The Tudors is back on the threads, and making comments about sanity.....

They are busy trolling on the facebook pages about Saturday's march, which is maybe why MN has been given a rest.

Yep. As my lovely mother would say: if something doesn't make complete sense then you're probably either a) missing a few pages or b) reading the wrong book.

Jeremy Corbyn Under Fire As Parliamentary Labour Party Angrily Defends Tom Watson In Momentum Row

Voices raised and aide Seumus Milne criticised too.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-plp-parliamentary-labour-party-tom-watson-momentum-seumas-milne-lord-watts_uk_58d02f42e4b00705db51c922

It seems the PLP has finally managed to pin Corbyn down.

ID cards control law abiding citizens. They do not control people who disregard the law. They are actually means by which to hide or commit crime usually at the expense of those who abide by the law through fraud and identity theft.

Terrorists and fraudsters don't use their own iD to commit crime.

I'm not sure they are a deterrent. They are more of a tool for those who exploit the system.

I am not sure they deliberately used Trump or hoped to use Trump as a Trojan Horse, but I suspect they are prepared to ditch him whenever he seems to become an overwhelming liability. There are some who have hated him from the start (McCain and probably most Republicans in blue states now looking at 2018 nervously) and most likely still some who think he is fantastic. But I suspect they could all live with Pence.

Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was paid $10 million yearly in secret deal to help Vladimir Putin

President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests.

Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/22/trumps-former-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-paid-10-million/

Deripaska is the person on whose yacht Osborne and Mandelson were partying, which caused the huge fall-out between Nat Rothschild / Mandelson and George Osborne. www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-scandal-idUSTRE49L2XG20081022

Thanks for the link, Elena, I fear we are facing another unsuccessful leadership challenge. Surely Corbyn must have to face up to his inadequacies sometime soon? Meanwhile, the extreme right can do what it wants .

Banks in London that relocate operations to the euro zone after Brexit are likely to be spared a lengthy entry test by regulators, making it easier for them to shift, according to two officials with knowledge of the matter.

The European Central Bank, the euro zone's banking supervisor, has had many inquiries from British-based banks wanting to come under its watch, prompting it to look at fast-tracking licence applications, according to the sources.

uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN16S23P

I didn't click on the link, on principle, but apparently the Sun has a headline that Theresa May says NO to a General Election as Tories fear Remainers could win.

So much for Democracy!

Looks like my couple of days' break from the EURef topic was worth it - it seems to have gone properly box-of-frogs in the pub . Apart from that, what did I miss?

I see there's apparently been a shooting in HoC and it's in lockdown

@PickardJE
Can see more than 30 police at the scene, two bodies on the ground. Parliament suspended.
2:49 PM - 22 Mar 2017

Something's happened on Westminster Bridge too. Not sure if the two things are related?

Don't understand how there could be a shooting in HOC, security there is fantastic, very strange.

@metpoliceuk
We were called at approx 2:40pm to reports of an incident at #Westminster Bridge. Being treated as a firearms incident - police on scene
2:52 PM - 22 Mar 2017