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Brexit

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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Cailleach1 · 16/03/2017 12:20

I think a united Ireland is premature right now. Northern Ireland needed more time to become more normal. Brexit may not be the cause as such, but it will have an element that will concern Nationalists. Being members of the EU, there was a non partisan player in force. Keeping Britain honest, so to speak. Funding was blind and allocated based on need.

I think it was very telling when DDavis mentioned talking to Verhofstadt and how the one thing the Commission were interested/concerned to talk about was the impact for Brexit on Northern Ireland. Davis was probably, "where?". Mind you, more attention was given to NI in Brussels than was given during the referendum campaign. I wouldn't be surprised if Westminster used it as a bargaining chip. Rather like if you don't do as I say, we'll really press buttons to mess with the hard won peace. Maybe to turn the screw with Ireland as well and the negotiations. The British Government at the moment wouldn't strike a person as being straight players imbued with integrity or honesty.

CeciledeVolanges · 16/03/2017 12:22

Also for God's sake. We agreed to be in the EU. We signed up to every treaty. It is a voluntary agreement. We wanted to join! And the fact that it isn't a prison or a forced regime is being proven by the fact that we are leaving!

whatwouldrondo · 16/03/2017 12:22

Brexit isn't causing NI to leave the UK, just like in Scotland with the SNP, its just an excuse. As the Catholic population in NI increases faster than the protestant population, it is only a matter of time before a referendum to unite Ireland is held. Significantly the ROI does not want this to happen because it cannot financially afford to take responsibility for NI and probably wont for a long time.

Is there no limit to the people that you want to throw off the cliff in order to free yourself of the illusion of imprisonment. I can assure you that the majority of people in Northern Ireland do not want to be a part of a Republic of Ireland that is effectively a religious state, but do want to be part of a UK that is in the EU with all the benefits that has had in terms of the peace process, that is the way they voted. That is why Catholic and Protestant alike they have been working hard to build a less sectarian society that, to quote a saying, but in this case it is actually meant, "works for everyone". All those years of progress, all that work to build community, after such a deeply traumatic history and you clearly do not give a ..........

twofingerstoEverything · 16/03/2017 12:24

Because no matter how gold you paint the bars its still a prison, which we have just been given the door key to.
Can you tell us in which way you have been 'imprisoned' by the EU, Anon, because that just sounds like hyperbolic rhetoric to me.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2017 12:27

The EU is only a "prison" to those who want total freedom to exploit the workers and to abandon any help for the poor and vulnerable, to those who want to hide away their money offshore to avoid tax

The EU has a few rules - not enough, imo - against this, which some unscrupulous oligarchs and wannabe oligarchs feel imprisons them.
Also, those who feel they don't need anything from society, hence don't want to give anything back.

For them, it is about "repealing unnecessary EU red tape"

Or as the vast majority of Britons will find:
reducing the rights of workers, reducing environmental protections, reducing consumer protections, enabling the UK to become a tax haven for the wealthy.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2017 12:32

It is the most incredible con job in history:

the most unscrupulous members of the ruling class, who have trousered most of the wealth this country produces, have managed to divert the anger of some of the population towards an "elite" - an elite of people who point out this trousering and try to stop it.

So, the abusers have managed to con their victims into anger against rules that protect them from abusers.

PoundlandUK · 16/03/2017 12:36

Because no matter how gold you paint the bars its still a prison, which we have just been given the door key to.

Um...prison is about having your freedom of movement rights withdrawn. Temporarily.

This is precisely what the majority of UK citizens are being subjected to as a direct result of the Brexit vote. Permanently.

Give your head a wobble.

taytopotato · 16/03/2017 12:46

Foreigners

RoseSonata · 16/03/2017 13:04

Belatedly place marking

GreenPeppers · 16/03/2017 13:10

Meanwhile
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/house-of-lords-fresh-brexit-challenge-to-theresa-may-labour-motions-on-eu-citizens-rights-and-final-vote-on-deal_uk_58ca64f2e4b0be71dcf19a31

^The House of Lords is gearing up for a fresh Brexit challenge to Theresa May over EU citizens’ rights and a vote on a final divorce deal with Brussels, HuffPost UK can reveal.

On Thursday morning, Labour tabled two new motions serving notice on the Government that ministers will not be let off the hook even after the PM triggers the Article 50 process of quitting the EU later this month.

Soooo, we are in for the long run.
The HoL finally gets into gear and starts challenging TM.

My question is, when are MPs and ministers going to start challenging her (sometimes?) crazy ideas too....

I. WANT. A. WHITE. PAPER

GreenPeppers · 16/03/2017 13:14

potato
I couldn't watch that video to the end. It's too cringey.
Starting with the first minute where you have someone saying 'but we are not foreigners. We are expats. Brits are never foreigners. Foreigners are anyone else living in britain'
Said with a smile on his face.....

Arrrrg....

Badders123 · 16/03/2017 13:26

New Albion here we come...

www.oxfam.org.uk/blogs/2017/03/oxfam-response-to-hbai-stats

Peregrina · 16/03/2017 13:27

Starting with the first minute where you have someone saying 'but we are not foreigners. We are expats. Brits are never foreigners. Foreigners are anyone else living in britain' Said with a smile on his face.....

I think he was being ironic - he could also speak Spanish. It was worth watching - some knew that their days could be numbered if their pensions weren't uprated and they were no longer entitled to health care. But one person who had the vote actually went and voted Leave! Yet he wasn't planning to move back.

PoundlandUK · 16/03/2017 13:34

Green video gets better after that. Worth a re-run. I must admit to almost falling at the first hurdle too, though Wink

PoundlandUK · 16/03/2017 13:38

But one person who had the vote actually went and voted Leave! Yet he wasn't planning to move back.

Ah yes, I remember him well. The patriot who wants to "take back control". When he figures out what's happened to his pension, can't get healthcare with out paying a fortune and, perhaps, gets asked to fulfill a minimum income requirement along the lines of non-EU immigrants to UK along with a full-fat portion of paperwork that has to be submitted in Spanish..............maybe he'll want to re-think his plans Smile

jaws5 · 16/03/2017 13:39

I think he was being ironic - he could also speak Spanish
Not sure, he also said he almost never speaks Spanish, they expect Spanish people to speak English, as that waiter said! Also, the idea that they're supporting the Spanish economy with their pensions, while EU workers here are a burden on resources is just xenophobic. Awful!

jaws5 · 16/03/2017 13:41

My parents in law spent many years in Spain, second property there. I recognize all the attitudes in that film from them and their friends, just embarrassing and deluded.

prettybird · 16/03/2017 13:45

Bringing together universities full of pesky foreigners, Scotland, alt right, freedom of speech and Milo Wink

https://glasgowguardian.co.uk/2017/03/14/rector-interview-and-analysis/

Note the trigger warning before the article! Shock

Peregrina · 16/03/2017 13:59

I recognize all the attitudes in that film from them and their friends, just embarrassing and deluded.

I did a week's residential Spanish course in Alicante and met people there who do speak the language and do mix with the locals, but they don't live in enclaves like that. Those ones in the enclave were most definitely deluding themselves - there is no guarantee that their pensions will continue to be uprated, and no guarantee that healthcare rights will continue. I doubt whether Davis or May have even begun to think about it.

Peregrina · 16/03/2017 14:04

Meanwhile, not Brexit related but just to show how mean and heartless this Government is - Tax credit rape clause becomes law without Parliamentary vote.

How's the assistance to those 'just about managing' going, Mrs May? What about those who aren't managing? No problem, they don't vote Tory.

WhynothaveaKidsDay · 16/03/2017 14:06

Funny, isn't it, that our European friends are coming up with strategies rather than our own British politicians and experts Wink. I wonder how well we'll without them. Not terribly well is my sad guess.

"Because no matter how gold you paint the bars its still a prison, which we have just been given the door key to.
Pretty much sums up how the scots and northern Irish are feeling."

Aye

I have come to the conclusion that the 52% voted for Brexit out of arrogance, ignorance, petulance and / or bigotry.

jaws5 · 16/03/2017 14:18

Of course peregrina, there are thousands of British people in Spain and other EU countries who speak the language and don't insist in calling themselves"expats", and in general consider themselves European. I identify with them as I live here as a EU citizen, speak the language and totally "integrate". I just imagine the uproar if we saw a similarly proud and superior"ghetto" living in the UK on a documentary. It would be used as proof by the kippers that British culture is under attack!

BigChocFrenzy · 16/03/2017 14:51

Pension "upgrades" just means continuing to give the regular UK state pension increase to expats,
Similarly, if private pensions are indexed, expats will receive the same regular UK index increases.

These increases are not guaranteed, but are likely to be part of an A50 settlement

BUT

There is no upgrade to compensate for the reduced purchasing power of any pension in Sterling
So, some expats on low pensions will be forced to return to the UK whatever the final settlement

ALSO
Most UK expat pensionsrs will have to return unless the NHS continues to refund the E27 countries for their healthcare

  • or cheat / revert to health tourism, just like many expats did before the current refund system
woman12345 · 16/03/2017 14:57

Sturgeon warns May that blocking a second independence referendum would be 'epic' mistake
www.heraldscotland.com/news/15161231.Theresa_May_rules_out_another_independence_referendum_before_Brexit/?ref=rss
Or another one. Grin Nick Timothy seems to be messing up a bit now.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 15:00

Sturgeon warns May that blocking a second independence referendum would be 'epic' mistake

In my delirium over this whole situation, that comment just makes me think of Pretty Woman- 'big mistake, huge!' Grin

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