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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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RedToothBrush · 18/03/2017 09:25

British Airways gets taken over by Iberian instead to bypass problems.... ?

BA have an issue in that, unlike, other airlines relocating their HQ outside the UK would be particularly difficult - unless they did a merger where existing airline took over and they were then in effect the subsibducy but could keep the brand name somehow. The obstacle to that of course is Heathrow T5.

As a rule though, you do have to say that Brexit could mean a lot less flights coming to the UK. Someone is going to be the loser in that. And price rises if we lose openskies. Which we all lose at.

Ideologically this is good for conservatives as there is less opportunity for the young to get fancy ideas or be influenced by foreigners.

It's all very much in conflict with the idea of open britain that May wants to promote.

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RedToothBrush · 18/03/2017 09:30

It comes back to the idea that international trade and movement of people are linked and can not be undone. We want to rewrite the laws of physics and lessons of the silk road in Brexit though.

Technology could perhaps step into the gap for business to a degree but this government isn't too shit hot at that and experiments in business communication via the internet have shown it to still be regarded as inferior to face to face meetings.

May didn't hold hands with Trump via Skype did she?

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Badders123 · 18/03/2017 09:33

This made me chuckle...
twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/842870524313255936

Mistigri · 18/03/2017 09:37

Agree loss of access to 'openskies' and thus cheap flight tickets is more of a big deal to some than the loss of the car industry.

Isn't this just a reflection of the British economy being excessively dependent on services, and relatively few people having direct experience of working in manufacturing or for a company which generates much of its revenue from exports?

For many brexit voters in the SE, a threat to cheap flights is a much more personal threat than a threat to trade, since the former affects them directly whereas the latter affects them only indirectly (until and unless we get chaos and trade grinds to a halt, affecting food imports etc).

RedToothBrush · 18/03/2017 09:37

I'm just going to point out the Daily Mail's cover and how you can all get your colonial panama hat for £20.

Not the ironic story and headline about MP's fury about Google not taking responsibility for its hate content

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.
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Badders123 · 18/03/2017 09:43

Not just food imports though is it?
I was thinking this yesterday as I picked up my mums (many) medications which help keep her alive...
Not only will the cost of meds go up but they may even become difficult/impossible to source?
A very quick look through my medicine cupboard shows me most of the meds we use are manufactured in the EU (quite a lot in Ireland actually)
As you say until beryl can't get her statins or beta blockers and it starts affecting her directly she won't care.
But depressing really.

RedToothBrush · 18/03/2017 09:51

Everyone's missed the other big appointment yesterday:

Tim Farron‏ @timfarron
I guess I should apply to edit Viz then?

Viz Comic‏*@vizcomic*
@timfarron You start on Monday, Tim.

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Peregrina · 18/03/2017 09:51

As you say until beryl can't get her statins or beta blockers and it starts affecting her directly she won't care.

And then it will be the EU's fault for not co-operating, not the UK's fault for saying that we wanted out of the club.

Badders123 · 18/03/2017 09:52

Yep 🙄

woman12345 · 18/03/2017 09:53

Trapped on an island with fewer cheap tickets out, with expensive or limited meds for the sick and expensive food sounds pretty unappealing.

The cult thing is a red herring, though, it's still a coup d'etat. I disagree with conflating belief systems and power. If they have the power, that's politics and if they've seized the power it's a coup.

woman12345 · 18/03/2017 09:55

Plenty of 'Sid the Sexist' nominations for new editor of Viz then. Grin Even in my absolute innocence about BJ's indiscretions, may I nominate him for the March edition?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/03/2017 09:57

And then it will be the EU's fault for not co-operating, not the UK's fault for saying that we wanted out of the club

It's not about cooperation, it's about cost. We import loads of pharmaceuticals from the EU, and these will end up costing more due to tariffs etc.

Peregrina · 18/03/2017 10:01

We import loads of pharmaceuticals from the EU, and these will end up costing more due to tariffs etc.

Yes, but it will be spun as 'the EU won't give us a deal'. Theresa May is currently talking about negotiating Free Trade deals and hasn't taken on board the idea that she probably won't be able to cherry pick.

Tanith · 18/03/2017 10:07

"But, the Press went on and on and on about how Labour was vulnerable to UKIP and it hasn't been so far. So it's about time now that the BBC stopped giving Farage and Co so much publicity. And about time that Labour sorted out its leadership, but it can retain its policies."

I've said this all along: the apparent surge from Labour to UKIP was nothing of the kind. The collapse of the Liberal vote meant that losses from Conservative to UKIP were masked by the number of Liberals who voted Conservative.
It simply doesn't make sense for supporters of a left wing party to switch to an ultra right one. Labour losses switched to other left wing parties, including the Greens, or simply didn't bother to vote (as encouraged by the likes of Russell Brand).

Peregrina · 18/03/2017 10:10

Tanith - I agree. More Labour supporters voted Remain than Tory voters, so for Labour to court the UKIP vote is at best short-sighted.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/03/2017 10:15

"Ireland have said they will veto any Brexit deal that involves a border with the north."

misti I interpret that as saying that if there is a border, then the RoI will insist it be between Ireland and Britain, not inside the island of Ireland.

There are several possible special deals that May might (unrealistically) aim for that would stop FOM, hence inevitably have borders for people and presumably also customs posts.

e.g. I've read she would like "special" deals for key sectors of the economy like financial services, the car and aerospace industries
(which couldn't be negotiated in 18 months and which Germany & others have said is not on the table anyway)

Motheroffourdragons · 18/03/2017 10:19

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/03/2017 10:34

Gordon Brown: 3rd Option for Scotland

He will " tell the Festival of Ideas in Fife that the Scottish government should be given the power to sign international treaties, decide its own VAT rates and have more authority over agricultural regulations"

“The third option, a patriotic Scottish way and free from the absolutism of the SNP and the do-nothing-ism of the Tories is now essential because post-Brexit realities make the status quo redundant and require us to break with the past,”

“The status quo has been overtaken by events because

unless powers now with the European Union are repatriated from Brussels to the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh Assembly and the regions

Whitewall will have perpetrated one of the biggest power grabs by further centralising power."

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sturgeon-urges-talks-about-referendum-date-pkcslnwbd

PattyPenguin · 18/03/2017 10:48

Loved the Bongobongoland report. Though thanks to the phrase "the chieftains of the far north", I now have an indelible mental image of NS in a Game of Thrones style black leather and fur-collared cloak combo, grasping a shiny, sharp-looking sword.

ElenaGreco123 · 18/03/2017 10:52

Grin She would make an awesome wildling.

I loved all the links. Flowers
Off to get my copy of the fictional Evening Standard with children eat free in The Ivy voucher.

RedToothBrush · 18/03/2017 10:53

That power hand shake exposed.

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.
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ElenaGreco123 · 18/03/2017 10:55
Grin

Re: Twitter earlier on. It seems Marina keeps the Guardian legal counsels in business.

NotDavidTennant · 18/03/2017 11:11

Tariffs paid on drugs imported by the NHS will just go from one branch of the state (the NHS) to another (the Treasury). The only net cost to the taxpayer would be the cost of collecting the tariffs.

The bigger risk is to UK drug exports.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/03/2017 11:17

The only net cost to the taxpayer would be the cost of collecting the tariffs

You are assuming a) that the state could afford to keep buying the same types and quantities of drugs as before as the cost to them has increased, and b)that the state chooses not to pass on the additional cost to the end user, which they probably would.

PoundlandUK · 18/03/2017 11:23

Red fantastic pic. Brilliant, in fact. Grin