Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

[surferjet]

Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
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mrshoolies

I am the same as you

I dont think the EU was perfect at all

No Tanith DD is paid his stipend to know what its worth knowing when and what it is pointless to ponder.

MsHoolie similarly I find the distinction between theism and atheism somewhat puzzling as my view on the existence of God has absolutely no bearing on how I live my life. Atheists demanding proof for a faith based God seem to be rather missing the point though.

You think the economic impact of leaving the EU without a deal is "pointless to ponder"?

I think this really might be a cult.

You can accuse Remainers of many things but cult like behaviour is not one of them

Yes it is.

You would have thought that DD's department has done at least some sort of threat analysis?

Could you explain why surfer?

Good news re Toyota today.
(Although I'm sure there's a negative spin that can be found...)

I'd actually say hardcore remainers have more cult like traits than leavers. You've admitted it wasn't perfect & changing it from within is difficult - yet you still wanted to stay?
At best that makes you cowards.
You know I can understand the rich elite wanting to remain within the EU, they're just looking after number one, but ordinary people fighting like rabid dogs to remain? what's that all about ?

You can accuse Remainers of many things but cult like behaviour is not one of them

Yes it is.

I agree with surferjet. Bearbehind has been goady fucker all these months down the line. on the pre referendum threads goading away and continues after result of country. this is not a person merely concerned with a big change, but one who cannot come to terms with events out of her control because leavers to her are not just wrong, they are also bad. This is cult behaviour. this is worst type of person to deal with on any subject minor or major because person is full of FEAR. In personal life sometimes you have to take drastic step into the unknown, same with future of country. The biggest problem over Brexit is not that there is no good future for this country, but that some of the politicians do not have the nerve and constitution to walk the tightrope of negotiation. They must have nerves and strong constitution to go to bargaining table and come out with good result – maybe not the A1 result you wanted, but a good one. only experienced businessmen at very high level can do this because they know what they want and know level they will not go below. They also understand the other side’s needs. Mrs May needs to bear in mind the main reasons why she believes the majority voted Out, and to always remember that freedom of movement of peoples is NOT negotiable.

Raison d’etre of EU is expansionism, they want turkey and Ukraine, and despite what EU says about Mrs Sturgeon going to back of queue I do not believe, just politicking. EU will not easily give up having presence in UK. If correct, I think Mrs Sturgeon and Mr Salmond may have been promised prestige and power if Scotland breaks away. Big problem though: which currency to use and how to value it.

You know I can understand the rich elite wanting to remain within the EU, they're just looking after number one, but ordinary people fighting like rabid dogs to remain? what's that all about?

Ah - this is to do with not fearing freedom. What you say reminds me of a very old poem by Yevtuschenko about arctic fox born in cage, knows nothing else, escapes but does not know how to live in freedom, and returns to the fox farm.

My heart is breaking now when I think of this poem.

More good news!

Queenie has signed off on Brexit.

We're finally good to go.

God save the Queen.

surfer the traits you've quoted are not those of a cult.

It is quite odd how you frequently either say 'I'm not X, you are' in a childlike manner or screech 'get out of my pub' in a Peggy Mitchell like manner when you don't like what's being posted.

svetlana it is not goading to question and argue points.

It goading to make provoking comments just to get a reaction, something you are very familiar with doing.

Any update on where anyone said people were welcome to come to the UK to freeload?

"Queenie has signed off on Brexit.

We're finally good to go."

Excellent news! Now, where's that Article 50 letter, and when are we sending it off? Why not today?

The biggest problem over Brexit is not that there is no good future for this country, but that some of the politicians do not have the nerve and constitution to walk the tightrope of negotiation

Exactly svetlana

I find it incredible that you've made that point because I completely agree with it.

The ultimate aim if leaving the EU is not necessarily a bad one but none of the idiots in charge of doing it are capable of getting us a good deal.

Why, when you accept that is the case, do you think it's still a good idea?

I'm full of fear but the fear is rational. I worry about the real possibility of the UK breaking up. I worry about the breakdown of the peace process in Northern Ireland. I worry that those negotiating our future trading relationship with the EU don't understand either the economics or the complexity of the problem. I worry that the mandate for brexit has come from an inconsistent coalition of protectionists and rabid free traders - thus precluding any coherent policy goal or stance. I worry that our public services are collapsing and the tax base necessary to pay for any improvement is likely to collapse.

Whoop, the Queen is getting her country back!

And those evil car companies keep pouring their devil money into the UK trying to destroy us.

Its all a conspiracy, because the UK is going to hell in a handcart and no amount of jobs or investment will stop that.

On the subject of fear, I'm not 'fearful' of the situation- I'm angry.

I don't expect I'll be personally too badly affected by Brexit whatever the outcome but I'm angry for those who will be and I'm angry about the time and money that will be spent doing something that ultimately will be detrimental to the country for the foreseeable future.

God bless Her Maj 😊

the Queen is getting her country back!

*And those evil car companies keep pouring their devil money into the UK trying to destroy us.

Its all a conspiracy, because the UK is going to hell in a handcart and no amount of jobs or investment will stop that.*

Actual lol 😂

Suitably regal portrait:

I don't mean to be goady - but can any "leaver" tell me
a) what relationship between the UK and EU they will like to see in 2 years time?
b) what the bad deal that would be worse than no deal would look like

Why, when you accept that is the case, do you think it's still a good idea?

It is not 'accept' the case, it has always been so and few politicians in the West ever play russian roulette. they do not have strong stomach to go right up to the jugular line. This is fear, and when fear comes people start back-pedaling and making position weaker by OFFERING compromise without it being asked for! It is because British people are very fair and just. only way is to adopt new mindset .... juncker is sociopath, so brexit negotiator has to conduct himself like one too.

However, you object to brexit on other grounds. Leavers believe it is now or never, and that is probably true.

A cult is a group of people who unquestioningly believe in something- one thing you can't accuse Remainers of is being unquestioning

I have to see I have seen absolutely no evidence that remainers are more questioning than leavers. None. Look at the reaction to Irene Clennel's case - many remainers on here getting all het up about "deporting a grandma who has lived in the UK for 30 years" when the facts where nothing like this as a quick google would have revealed.