Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Brexit
Original poster

Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

999 replies

surferjet · 10/03/2017 16:48

Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
🍾🇬🇧🍾🇬🇧🍾🇬🇧🍾🇬🇧🍾

OP posts:
Thread gallery
23
user1486924355 · 16/03/2017 11:22

Fantastic news regarding the Royal Assent. I'm really excited about the future.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:23

svetlana as I've come to expect from you, your arguments make no sense whatsoever.

You are saying we need strong negotiators but that we don't have them.

I completely agree with that point but it makes no sense coming from you

It is admitting we are going to get a bad deal because we do not have the people in place to get us a favourable deal- why would you have chosen do do that?

WrongTrouser · 16/03/2017 11:24

Bless you, Ma'am Smile

drwitch · 16/03/2017 11:24

As you are very vocal on this thread Svetlana would you be able to answer my question?

WrongTrouser · 16/03/2017 11:24

Xpost, mine was to HRH

user1486924355 · 16/03/2017 11:26

Bearbehind. With respect, you do come across as rather obsessive,

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:28

wrong you have to be having a laugh now.

Leavers on this thread question nothing.

Yesterday's performance by Davis was deemed completely acceptable because, even at this stage, the only thing that is relevant is 'we're leaving the EU'

Trivia like what the financial impact if we don't like the deal we are offered is or what happens about EHIC haven't even been looked at but its seem that's absolutely fine.

You can't actually get any more 'unquestioning' than that.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:30

Nothing wrong with being obsessive with something this important.

Far more of an issue to be apathetic about it IMO

SemiPermanent · 16/03/2017 11:30

drwitch, if I were TM I would be playing the long game on Brexit:

An EEA/EFTA type deal initially, then focussing on building up infrastructure and production across UK over coming years.

End point would be as complete a detachment as is practicable/deemed desirable.

The most important and necessary thing was to cease being a full member, and thus cease to be trapped within an institution that is moving in a direction that I do not agree with.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:35

semi you're probably the only leaver left that offers sensible conversation on here Grin

Wrt to the above, your aim makes a lot of sense to me in many ways but it's not where we are heading so why are you still happy?

drwitch · 16/03/2017 11:35

Assume that I (with other remainers) are in a cult - we believe that membership of the single market is vital and necessary to our wellbeing. - Deprogram us - explain what you think would be a better replacement. Answer my questions

drwitch · 16/03/2017 11:38

Thanks semi but what would the trading relationship look like in the long run? - self sufficiency?

howabout · 16/03/2017 11:39

Just popped in to leave this at the bar for HRH Gin

Svetlana33 · 16/03/2017 11:40

svetlana as I've come to expect from you, your arguments make no sense whatsoever

That is because you have poor understanding of wheels within wheels. The people who are fronting negotiations and doing the meetings will need to rise to the occasion which I believe most people can do.

Davis and May are taking negotiating instruction from those hard-nosed old timer politicians and senior civil servants who understand tactic and execution, and holding on not losing bladder when all seems lost. 50 percent is psychology and attitude ........ you know, like boxers do.

Anon1234567890 · 16/03/2017 11:41

a) what relationship between the UK and EU they will like to see in 2 years time?

Something a bit closer than the relationships we have with most other countries in the world
b) what the bad deal that would be worse than no deal would look like
If the EU demands £60,000,000,000 up front and won't talk trade until after we have paid.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:43

svetlana you are too funny!

WrongTrouser · 16/03/2017 11:43

Bear You have your view, I have mine. I think part of the reason this country is in such a mess - division, name-calling, questionable respect for democracy (nb eg calls to ignore referendum result, not legal challenges which are part of democracy in my view) - is because so many people are not questioning why others view the world/EU differently to them and instead of trying to understand are just hurling insults or writing people off (belittling, patronising, stereotyping, guilt by association, it's all still going on on these MN referendum threads).

The day you tell us you understand why people voted leave - understand, not agree - is the day I will accept that you are as questioning as you seem to think you are (and when I say understand, I mean understand on the basis that we are equally as moral, forward looking, open-minded, intelligent, caring people as you are, just with different views, not understand as in "you've been duped", "you just want a flag" etc etc etc)

Svetlana33 · 16/03/2017 11:49

svetlana you are too funny!

And Bear is too igorant.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:50

wrong I will tell you I 'understand' people voting to Leave the day someone comes up with a balanced argument which acknowledges the consequences of their choice as well as the reasons for it.

That hasn't happened yet.

Reasons have never stood up to scrutiny IMO but even if I accepted it was just 'a feeling' I cannot accept that people didn't consider the consequences of acting on that 'feeling'

In what other situation would you merrily go ahead and do exactly what you 'felt' like and to hell with the consequences and not expect to potentially fall foul of them?

Original poster
surferjet · 16/03/2017 11:51

It's true Bear, you're very dismissive of leavers in general, but at least you pop in & chat with us filthy pigs, ( we'll never forget that one ! )

OP posts:
Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:52

svetlana I think you'll find the ignorance is all yours if you honestly believe the tough negotiators are in the background advising TM and DD!

If that were the case don't you think DD might have had a few more credible answers yesterday?

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 11:53

surfer I can assure you the filthy pig comment was not made by me!

Original poster
surferjet · 16/03/2017 11:55

I know it wasn't. That particular charmer has never set foot in here, which we're all extremely happy about. Smile

OP posts:
WrongTrouser · 16/03/2017 11:57

Bear I think you have a mental block on this. You don't have to agree with someone's opinion to understand it. So some people love going to night clubs. I hate noise, crowds and drunk people so I don't like night clubs. But I understand why other people do.

I don't know why you keep talking about people voting leave on "feelings". This is no more the case than why people voted remain. Even people involved in the remain campaign acknowledge that their main tactic was use of fear. Fear is a feeling.

But anyway, we've been round this a million times and I don't think we are going to make progress on this one.

Bearbehind · 16/03/2017 12:01

wrong the nightclub analogy is nonsense because people going to nightclubs doesn't affect anyone else

People choosing to leave the EU with no regard for the consequences affects many others and potentially in time themselves too- that's when things will get interesting,

You are right on one throng though wrong we will never agree about this.

Swipe left for the next trending thread