Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

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Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
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Random quote copy there- the quote should have been boreds

Wrong, Tanith, cannot could also mean unwillingness (to answer).

I do wish people berating DD on the interweb would take the trouble to spell his name properly. I also highly recommend listening to his evidence rather than the twittersphere misquotes which miss all of his understated humour.

Reportedly Michel B and him get on very well and are both looking pretty pragmatic. On the record detailed analysis prior to a negotiation in good faith would be extremely bad form - the Nippy one should take note.

Ah, so if I spell DD's name correctly all will be well.

You lot are an incredible bunch.

You've clearly got your priorities completely right.

How does being humorous about the fact he has no answers at all and hasn't even looked at basics like the impact of no deal or reciprocal European healthcare improve the situation?

Again, Bear, I disagree. I think he seemed quite smart.

Serious question bored - why?

What is smart about a man who has one responsibility but can not answer the most basic questions because he admits he hasn't looked at the subject in question?

Because there could be 9 999 999 998 subjects that he has looked at.

Its called delayed gratification Bear, we leavers have practised it for a long time, you need to get with the programme.

FGS- How can you possibly defend the fact he has no idea about the absolute basics of Brexit?

If he has spent his time researching a million other things that's absolutely no help now.

I've long thought there is an element of brain washing amongst a Leavers- that has confirmed it!

Bear - I think you underestimate David Davis, best to say too little than too much (and after the carry on of the last 6 months who can blame him). In my opinion NIcola Sturgeon said too much too soon and it is a blow for Scots that want independence/in the EU.

I think you are just going to resign yourself to the fact that nothing of any substance is going to be forthcoming prior to A50 being triggered and maybe not for 2 years.

time I think you massively overestimate him.

He made himself sound like an incompetent fool today- if he'd had answers he would have given them.

There's a massive difference between saying 'we're not releasing that information' and 'I dunno cos I haven't looked' which is what he did.

I can't comprehend how you can be happy not knowing even the basics for the next 2 years but then I can comprehend why you choice this path of self desctruction the the first place.

Bear don't be disingenuous, the basics are that we are leaving the EU. Even you know that. How that happens will evolve through time. It is in the interest of parliament and the government, whilst acting upon the mandate given to them by the majority, to get the best deal possible and that is exactly what they will do.

bored it scares me to death you truly think I'm being diingenous.

I'm horrified by your complete lack of critical thinking.

if you are foolish enough to continue arguing that the only point that matters is 'we are leaving the EU' then crack on.

I can't begin to comprehend the absolute stupidity of that viewpoint so I think I'm going to give up trying.

Leave is some form of unquestioning cult and no matter what evidence there is to the contrary, you're not going to see it until it is far far too late.

"Wrong, Tanith, cannot could also mean unwillingness (to answer)"

He didn't say "cannot"; you did.

He said he "hadn't looked into that". He doesn't know.

Erm...Bear said cannot and I was replying to her post. Your proof reading is not on a par with your mind reading😉

Bear...is that a promise?
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Bear as of today the UK has absolutely no idea who the Dutch, French or German negotiators will be. Greece and Italy will likely need a bit more "restructuring" quite soon. There are all sorts of public and private machinations with Turkey. The Polish government want rid of Tusk. Juncker is regarded as a drunken idiot by even the most Europhile amongst us. The EU has just come up with at least half a dozen strategies for its future development. Trump is an unknown quantity. The Scots my yet decide on Out/Out.

I really could not take anyone who purported to have a mapped out costed post Brexit plan seriously at all. That way madness lies

There is an awful lot of ground between having a mapped out, costed Brexit plan and saying as Davis said on several fundamental points "I haven't looked at it".

Way to go Spreadsheet. Manufacture an esoteric disagreement with the Tory back benchers so he can pave the way for a discussion of the self-employment review in the Autumn. Hey presto and no-one is discussing Brexit or Indyref2.

or aaron banks new party
or the netherlands elections
or the explosive device found in germany

I can't begin to comprehend the absolute stupidity of that viewpoint so I think I'm going to give up trying.
Bear how many times have you threatened to stop debating with leavers?

Boredofbrexit You're right that Bear said that. The discussion, however, was around your assertion that David Davis will not rather than cannot answer the questions put to him.

He very obviously cannot if he hasn't even looked into them! I'm astounded that you're prepared to quibble over words, yet excuse this man who tells MPs that he "hasn't looked into" the questions they put to him. He is paid a considerable amount of money to know these things - it is his job to know or to at least try to find out.
What has he been doing all these months?

I can't believe anyone would be satisfied with the poor performance he showed. As Bear said, he isn't avoiding the questions - politicians are very skilled at that - he simply doesn't know and, worse, he's admitting it publicly.

tanith sadly there's absolutely no point in pursing this argument with bored or anyone else for that matter.

Much to my horror it became very clear to me yesterday that anyone who can, in all seriousness, say that the only fact that matters is we are leaving the EU and that any other details are just trivia even after 9 months is such a lost cause that any conversation is completely pointless.

I have joked about it being like a cult but it's not funny anymore.

Tbh Bear, I'm just happy we're leaving the EU, nothing else is worrying me. If you want to describe that as cult like behaviour then fine, but I've seen plenty of cultish people on your side too.
That's why arguing over Brexit is pointless because people's opinions are set in stone, on these threads anyway.

surfer it's very telling that your responses frequently involve turning things back onto me/ Remainers without any real justification.

You can accuse Remainers of many things but cult like behaviour is not one of them.

A cult is a group of people who unquestioningly believe in something- one thing you can't accuse Remainers of is being unquestioning.

I do agree it's pointless arguing about it though.

If you're not prepared to even think about any consequences other than the badge of having left the EU there is no discussion to be had.

It's a truly sorry state of affairs.

I don't know a single Remainer who thinks the EU is perfect and I would happily change my mind if I was presented with evidence that leaving is in our best interests. I am an atheist but would change my mind if I came across evidence that God exists as would most atheists. Most people who are profoundly religious will never change their minds no matter how much evidence is put in front of them and that's how I see a lot of Leavers which means that arguing with them is futile.