Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

[surferjet]

Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
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Pmsl at svetlana

Have read some shite over the last few months but rarely the level of what have just read now. If I were a Leaver I think I would be falling over myself in my haste to distance myself publicly from her.

Struggling to understand the whole UK leaves EU = good but Scotland wants to leave UK = bad thing going on as well.

where are you reading that its a bad thing per se?

bored

The response from the Government

The sainted Nigel spluttering away on TV today

Numerous posts on various threads in the last 24 hours

Just one example after skimming back here for 10 seconds Good luck to her. but Scotland is nothing without the UK or the EU, so not sure why she's taking such a massive risk?

Today 14:42 Bearbehind

they're not strong enough to survive on their own

And we are?

Loving the arrogance of that statement!

No they're not strong enough - They'd sink quicker than Greece on their own - do you really think Scotland & England are the same in terms of their power?
Really Bear, you haven't got a clue about politics.

Just seen this on the FB...

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/180642

kaiji

Oooh good word, i like that

Dd keeps calling her brothers stupid in german, she has done it so often we all know what the word means...so she still gets told off

The pound has bombed since referendum so any suggestion UK will boom after Brexit is laughable.

Re: petition isn't democracy a pain sometimes?

Those petitions just get filed in the bin.

Wonder if its being signed in Scotland or just elsewhere?

"- do you really think Scotland & England are the same in terms of their power?"

A handy pictorial guide:

Are they the Scottish equivalent of remoaners? SNP are dominant party in Scotland so will of the people applies re SNP right to call second referendum.

I was thinking about this today. If we are a United Kingdom then how is a vote to Leave the EU in England trumping Scotland who voted to Remain?

Just wondering about it...am not Scottish nor do I live there but just pondering how it was arranged and agreed.

I know there has to be some agreement of how voting is arranged but I wonder if there was any discussion prior to the referendum of what would happen if one part of the UK voted to Leave while others voted to Remain.

Anyone know if that was discussed? Just interested.

As far as I've read, it was just a single constituency for the whole UK with each vote of equal value. So, to that extent, how particular regions voted is irrelevant to the result.

Thank you

It's an interesting parallel between the relatively tiny UK leaving the massive EU, and the relatively tiny Scotland leaving the massive UK. However, the UK is rich when compared to the rest of the EU, whereas Scotland is poor when compared to the rest of the UK.

I'm English, so I don't get a say in any possible future Scottish referendum. But I'd support the result, whatever it was.

It was proposed during the drafting of the Referendum Bill, that for the UK to Brexit there had to be a majority Leave vote for the whole of the UK and for each of the four countries to have had a majority vote to Leave, i.e. a double majority vote.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2015-06-16/debates/15061658000001/EuropeanUnionReferendumBill

It wasn't included in the final Bill.

No they're not strong enough - They'd sink quicker than Greece on their own

surfer I'd love to know what some of your fellow Leavers on here think of that comment; Scotland had always been oddly over represented on these threads and I'm sure your complete dismisal of them as a nation able to go it alone would make for interesting comments

do you really think Scotland & England are the same in terms of their power?

FWIW I think Scottish independence is a bad idea for much the same reasons I think leaving the EU is too ie, yes both might 'survive' on their own but the lack of and limit to opportunities in doing so far outweighs any benefits.

At least there was a sembslence of a plan for Scottish independance (albeit without addressing the rather crucial issue of currency) and people could make their choice based on how realistic they saw that plan to be, unlike the shambles that is Brexit.

surfer I'd love to know what some of your fellow Leavers on here think of that comment; Scotland had always been oddly over represented on these threads and I'm sure your complete dismisal of them as a nation able to go it alone would make for interesting comments

I'm a Scottish exile in England at the mo.

I wouldn't want independence for Scotland, as I believe in the union (not due to economical dependence etc, but a feeling of unity).

My fb feed yesterday & today (ignoring the non Scots) is mostly anti-Sturgeon.
There are a handful of folk who are cheering it on, but most are pissed off with NS & want her to get on with doing her day job, which they think she's neglected.

For Scotland & independence, it would be wrong to keep framing it in economic terms tbh - this is very much a hearts & minds issue.

For Scotland & independence, it would be wrong to keep framing it in economic terms tbh - this is very much a hearts & minds issue.

And so is Brexit- those who want to leave aren't thinking about the economics of it

I agree with that to a large extent Bear - and undermining/ignoring those elements and pushing Project Fear was perhaps the single biggest failing of the Remain campaign.

Any future unionist campaign in Scotland must focus on the benefits of the union as opposed to the negatives of independence if there's any hope to remaining as a United Kingdom.

Stop whinging at leavers Bear, start up your own version of UKIP to try and get us back in, or support the liberals, do whatever it takes, but the time to stop moaning at the general public is now - put your efforts into doing something worthwhile.
Arguing with people on the internet gets you nowhere.

It makes me feel better surfer

The fact that this really is as screwed up as it looks and is based on nothing more than feelingz will never sink in for me.

Well let's hope it sinks in pretty sharpish for the people who will be pushing the case for the Union, otherwise they'll fail.

I disagree, surfer. Both the Leave campaigns, Leave.EU and VoteLeave, won the ref with their vastly superior and coordinated use of social media. This is where the debate is happening, and anyone opposed to the current kamikazi direction of travel needs to be speaking out on social media as well as joining official groups, marching, lobbying etc.

Might I suggest a mindfullness course Bear?
Re Scottish independence, as part of the diaspora I would defer to my countrymen who are enfranchised.
I support independence but not the SNP.