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Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

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surferjet · 10/03/2017 16:48

Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
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CountMagnus · 14/03/2017 12:13

I have as much faith in leavers saying EU citizens will be allowed to stay as I do in Gisela Stuart's opinion on anything.

Gisela Stuart and Frank Field both voted against the Lord's amendment to protect the rights of EU citizens in the UK.

Svetlana33 · 14/03/2017 13:47

how many long term unemployed EU nationals do you think there are in the UK?

I am not speaking of European EU nationals who tend to be multilingual and come from backgrounds almost same as GB, and have no problem in getting and keeping employment. I am speaking of persons who have settled in Europe, and after few years receive papers and once they become EU national, they choose to move to Great Britain. they have never worked even a day in EU and come to GB with family with full benefits in tow, acquire public housing and use services they have not paid for. Why you concerned for this type of EU national - explain please?

If this type of freeloader is visible, then there are too many. those who like paper can research non-EU born persons with EU citizenship who move to GB and continue life on public money. Relocation by freeloaders within EU has only recently been stopped but still problem because they are still here.

Bearbehind · 14/03/2017 14:00

svetlana how many of these 'freeloaders'' are there in the U.K.?

LurkingHusband · 14/03/2017 14:05

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Bearbehind · 14/03/2017 14:08

svetlana it sounds very much like you are saying anyone who was born in the EU should be able to stay in the UK with or without a job but you don't want anyone who has EU papers but was originally from another country to enter? Hmm

CountMagnus · 14/03/2017 14:13

Bear I was thinking just that. Does svetlana want to send back, for instance, Russians who have taken EU citizenship via Cyprus and who are now freeloading in the UK?

shutthefrontdoor123 · 14/03/2017 14:17

If this type of freeloader is visible, then there are too many

What, even in the nice parts of Surrey?

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surferjet · 14/03/2017 14:19

Sorry - couldn't resist.

Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!
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Bearbehind · 14/03/2017 14:20

But you can resist telling us why Scotland leaving the U.K. Is riskier than the UK leaving the EU.

Funny that....

Svetlana33 · 14/03/2017 14:29

it sounds very much like you are saying anyone who was born in the EU should be able to stay in the UK with or without a job

NO of course not. maybe my sentence not clear, or maybe you making mischief. I say that anyone from any country in world can live in GB if they support themselves. If they have plenty of money then they do not have to work and they can pay for private medical and rent.

I do not support freeloaders from EU, regardless of their original country, relocating to GB. I am asking why YOU think it is good idea ?

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surferjet · 14/03/2017 14:31

There's no guarantee the EU would let Scotland be part of the EU as an independent nation, & they're not strong enough to survive on their own.

That's it in a nutshell.
What more do you need to know?

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Kaija · 14/03/2017 14:35

I think you making mischief, Svetlana. This is what you said:

"I am not speaking of European EU nationals who tend to be multilingual and come from backgrounds almost same as GB, and have no problem in getting and keeping employment. I am speaking of persons who have settled in Europe, and after few years receive papers and once they become EU national, they choose to move to Great Britain."

Anyway, I have never even heard of such persons, but I'm ready to be shocked when you show me the figures.

CountMagnus · 14/03/2017 14:37

I do not support freeloaders from EU, regardless of their original country, relocating to GB.

That's not what you said in your previous post. You specifically identified those born outside the EU who had gained EU citizenship and them came to the UK.

I am not speaking of European EU nationals

Your posts are very muddled.

CountMagnus · 14/03/2017 14:41

Anyway, I have never even heard of such persons, but I'm ready to be shocked when you show me the figures.

I don't think there will be any figures, just anecdata.

Bearbehind · 14/03/2017 14:42

they're not strong enough to survive on their own

And we are?

Loving the arrogance of that statement!

Kaija · 14/03/2017 14:44

"I don't think there will be any figures, just anecdata."

I've heard Godalming is rife with them.

Bearbehind · 14/03/2017 14:50

svetlana you are clearly 'making mischief'

Your posts make no sense.

I haven't said I think anyone should be able to freeload.

There will always be an element who trust the system but making rules that ensure they fight will be a the detriment if too many genuine people for it to be worthwhile.

You are are worst kind of hypocrite in your Ivory tower Surrey mansion dismissing migrants whose route was not as virtuous as your own.

Svetlana33 · 14/03/2017 14:51

That is what I said Kaija. some people who move from non EU country to EU, receive citizenship papers and then relocate to GB have never ever worked

Why do YOU think GB should welcome persons such as this?

But European ethnics (german, french, italian, portuguese, etc) who come to GB get employment very quickly because they want to pay their way.

Bearbehind · 14/03/2017 14:53

Twist not trust the system

Svetlana33 · 14/03/2017 14:56

One of my close friends is an EU national living here. She doesn't work but her husband DOES

Alfieisnoisy - Do not worry, of course she will remain. husband is working and contributing. she has been made anxious deliberately to make Brexit look bad. It is EU nats who are not contributing who should be returned because they have no purpose here.

Kaija · 14/03/2017 14:57

Thank you for clarifying, Svetlana. So non-EU-born people who move here from the EU are freeloaders while EU-born people are hard workers?

If the non-EU people have come directly from their country of birth rather than via the EU, are they still freeloaders?

Bearbehind · 14/03/2017 15:00

Do not worry, of course she will remain. husband is working and contributing. she has been made anxious deliberately to make Brexit look bad. It is EU nats who are not contributing who should be returned because they have no purpose here.

svetlana stop talking complete bollocks

In that example the person is not 'contributing' however much you tell them they are - you're not the fucking Home Office

That is the whole problem here- some people won't, on paper have a right to stay and noone with the authority to do so will confirm they can.

If you are going to give advice at least have the decency to make it accurate

Svetlana33 · 14/03/2017 15:04

You are are worst kind of hypocrite in your Ivory tower Surrey mansion dismissing migrants whose route was not as virtuous as your own

Oh dear, another doorak.
It is not about route, it is about having no intention to pay your own way and living off the state. you find that difficult to grasp. There are quite a few illegals in England but they are WORKING albeit under the radar as you say. they do not attend NHS A&E GP, dentist or anything like that. they rent a room and pay for it. They do not seek public money. do you understand the difference between freeloading and worth ethic?

Kaija · 14/03/2017 15:06

In Shere?

Svetlana33 · 14/03/2017 15:07

If the non-EU people have come directly from their country of birth rather than via the EU, are they still freeloaders?

They are freeloaders if they decline to seek work and remain unemployed for a long time. does not matter where they are from. that is the universal meaning of the word ...... intention is to not self-support and instead to freeload off the state.