Westministenders: Brexit Britain = Gridlock Britain ?

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We keep getting told the Uk can get a deal like Canada, Turkey or other non-EU countries have, without FOM.
Those deals do not provide the same privileges as EU members:
They have quotas, restrictions and must obey EU regulations

e.g. After CETA, Ron Davidson, head of international trade for the Canadian Meat Council stated:
"We do not have what we would call commercially viable access to the European market".

The deal with Turkey abolished tariffs, but did not give free acess. This is what that means:

www.ft.com/content/b4458652-f42d-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

"On a recent Saturday at the Kapikule border crossing, about 30 minutes drive from the Turkish city of Edirne, a line of trucks 4km long stretched along the highway, inching along glacially towards the Bulgarian checkpoints.
"Today is a good day", said Ibrahim Kurtukcu, a 42-year trucker who had been waiting 14 hours.
"Last week the line was 7km long".
The record is 17km. It can take up to 30 hours to get through to the other side."

Of course, UK ports (and French ports) do not have the capacity, facilities, storage space or trained staff to handle customs processing of the vast amount of British exports & imports.

Building this additional capacity - where ? - would take several years and there are no signs that even the planning stage has started.

The queen is pro leave

But then, according to Cameron, she purred when told that the Scottish Independence Referendum had been lost. I think she values a United Kingdom more than she values Brexit.

I wasn't going to mention the purring

I wouldn't believe anything spam face Dave said

Well, she's old, rich and didn't go to uni so she fits the profile.

Will borrow this.

lala

I don't support Scottish independence but no denying that NS is a gifted politician, and it's hard to disagree with her argument: brexit changes everything, and the Scottish people's voice should be heard.

Completely agree with this.

Certainly Brexit changes what the Scots voted for.

Do those of you who know, think that NS is more skilled than TM? (I don't think TM is skilled myself - I think she is pig headed.) I don't know NS well enough to form an opinion.

Downing Street has released this response to Nicola Sturgeon’s speech. A government spokesman said:

"...Another referendum would be divisive..."

Because forcing a country who's members largely don't want to do something into doing said thing isn't divisive at all either. Idiots.

"...Another referendum would be divisive..."

Yep, TM is about to get a big double portion of Brexit pie. With extra fucking jam on top.

I think NS is a much smarter cookie than TM but I would say that

She's certainly much more personable: I've met her many times over that last 20 years () since she first door stepped us during the Westminster campaign (when I was staunch Labour and dh was a committed "none of the above" spoiler-of-voter) which she lost narrowly to Sarwar (with dubious "votes in blue plastic bags") and she is now my MSP.

I certainly prefer her to Salmond, who could come across as a bit arrogant (but I never hated him the way that some people apparently do).

Not sure if this is possible, but since the negotiations for Brexit will run alongside the preparations for Indyref2, in order to really stir things up, the EU negotiators could offer concessions to Scotland, e.g., offer that Scotland can remain in the single market. Could put TM in a very difficult position.

Of course the issues surrounding Scottish independence - now they can be openly discussed - feed back into the whole "U"K Brexit omnishambles.

If nothing else, I would be amazed if it doesn't have an effect on the Irish situation.

Surely that would be the best possible outcome for many/most Scots? The ones who didn't want to break up the Union but also don't want to be dragged out of Europe.

^^ that was to missmoon.

A50 trigger

lala Yes, if WM agreed to keeping us in the single market (and the customs union), pretty much everything would be solved.

TM continues to find it appropriate to speak on behalf of everyone here

She apparently knows that Scots don't want another referendum.

Also interesting that the spokesperson says the government have 'listened to' the concerns of all U.K. Nations- according to NS they were listened to then ignored.

Her arrogance will hopefully be TMs downfall.

"...Another referendum would be divisive..." May Day May Day! Beware of referendums! Divisive divisive!
See the positivehere folks! They are admitting, between the lines of course, that they know the extent of the fuck up.

Actually, serious questions, how divided is Scotland still as a result of the first ref? Would a second ref, given Brexit really worsen the divisions formed from the initial ref?

IndyRef 1 was tiring - lots of shouting. Salmond on your telly every day. But compared to the Brexit ref it was a paradigm of good natured debate. In the aftermath there's a fair bit of tribal SNP support (usually among a labour-deserting tribe) and sometimes a sentiment is expressed that you're not properly Scottish if you're a No voter. But again, compared to the vitriol sprayed at Remoaners this is pretty tame stuff. At least in my experience, but it may well vary across the country.

I was No last time round, but am Wait-and-See this time round.

Actually, serious questions, how divided is Scotland still as a result of the first ref? Would a second ref, given Brexit really worsen the divisions formed from the initial ref?

Personally I would say if nothing else the entire Brexit process has demonstrated clearly to even the most ardent Scottish Unionist that any love they have for the Union is not reciprocated. Which was one of the main thrusts of the independence movement in 2014.

For all Camerons fine purring, TM has shown such a breathtaking contempt for the Union as to make it worthless.

I hope that any plans for a Scottish independence celebration (maybe on June 23rd ?) make a point of inviting David Cameron as guerst of honour ???

As to what the Queen does - or does not - think. She would still be Queen of Scotland, Queen of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

From the Daily Mash...

Well, it's a vote every bit as binary as the EU referendum so it will be interesting to see, if Scotland does vote out of the UK, whether its leaders do try to make it more palatable to the people who voted to stay than the WM government has bothered to with the Remainers.