Stop the silence

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We have heard much talk about "the will of the people" recently. If you are not one of the people supporting the Tory hard Brexit or "Brexit at any cost", you may be interested in "Stop the silence", which gives a voice to the rest of us - those who voted Leave thinking of a Norway-style model, those who thought they were saving the NHS, those who voted Remain. Please like on FB and re-tweet.
www.stopthesilence.co.uk

Mistigris Yes Science and Tech Sales have long been an exception. I think that came from being emerging markets so that business strategists started from Year Zero, plus to sell science and tech you do actually need a high level of technical understanding to appreciate the individual customer need. I am really talking about consumer marketing and especially other areas of business to business where direct selling is actually particularly important. The importance of that sort of relationship marketing and building organisational strategy around it has been slow to be appreciated, in spite of the 80/20 rule (for most business 80% of business comes from 20% of customers) .

The blame for the lack of critical thinking / scepticism arise not just from the lack of living in a society where there is little space to question but from an education system that evolved from the Imperial exams. The emphasis is on rote learning and model answers.

However in my experience of western business operating in China whilst Chinese employees may not tend to challenge or question the official hierarchy they do build up unofficial networks within organisations which they use to favour their interests, which may or may not coincide with the organisations. The Chinese have a word from networking except that whereas we would regard networking as the acceptable face of a less acceptable iceberg of leveraging of privilege and influence, nepotism and all the shades of corruption, which we all know go on but in an undercover way that seeks to be opaque, Guanxi is about a more overt management of your relationships to achieve status and success for your family / community. The overtness can be a quite a shock especially when you encounter it in relationships that have nothing to do with business or even politics.

It isn't just that chinese culture fosters entrepreneurial skills like risk taking, it also fosters the skills in managing relationships particularly effectively because they are honed in an organic society that works on power and influence not rule of law.

Yer So all of Boris's great Churchillian words about our glorious post Brexit future, sailing the high seas to trade freely with the rest of the world devoid of any specifics on what and with who What seam of British consciousness do you think he was exploiting?

I think borris couldn't have sold me a sandwich never mind brexit so in my case and the case of many others I know he has not succeded in exploiting anyone. Neither could Tony Blair though so bad luck.

YER He was one of the Leaders of the Leave campaign, and the same emotions were being exploited by the rest of the campaign, with Gove and Leadsom prominent in all that. He also represents the motivations of all the politicians who are leading us into this mess. They could all march under the banner of "Make Britain Great" even though, like America we were not doing badly in the first place (except in terms of ordinary people's experience of government policy on austerity). I do not think you can dismiss the impact on the leave vote, or on Conservative policy, of evoking former imperial glories, certainly on leave voters I know. A red white and blue Brexit, don't you know.

Blair has not had the power to persuade people for a long time, many of us marched against his warmongering in the first place. He did talk some sense on Brexit to those of us who would like to see some pragmatism and rationality come into all this but salesman he ain't. However as Grayling said in his New European article it is all about emotion now, not reasoned debate........

even though, like America we were not doing badly in the first place (except in terms of ordinary people's experience of government policy on austerity) Ha so says you!

honestly!!!!

You must know some wierd brexit voters.

I do not think it reasonable to say the people leading brexit are doing so based on emotion. Many campaigned in the other direction but respect the vote of the people of Britain.

This is a democratic nation, which was being eroded by the EU and is being further eroded by people who simply are unable to accept when they have not been on the winning side of a vote. I am passionate about this and getting fed up with it. Same with nichola sturgeon banging.on about a second referendum. This continuous whingerama coming from people who did not get their way is more damaging and destabilising for Britain and confidence in our markets than the effects of britain leaving the EU.

Of course Boris campaigned for brexit, but very unrealistic and dramatic claims were being made in both directions.

The snp singing ode to joy in parliment recently looked more dickish to me than a red white and blue brexit. (Both are dickish)

I made my vote with very clear intentions of freeing ourselves from the shackles of EU beaurocracy and so did many other British people.

Your arguments about your views of people who voted brexit are unrealistic and unrepresentitive of the views of most people who voted for it. (Probably 1% imperial dickswingers)

I am sure you do not mean to, but it seems to be the common trend to think (or hope) that people did not know what they were voting for and I find that attitude patronisong. I voted with my head not "swinging my imperial dick" and waving the union jack thank you.

We all knew the rules and knew we couldn't negotiate til article 50 was triggered.

Most of the country thought the EU was in enough bother that it was worth the risk.

I was one of those people. The future was not certain either way.

I think people should stop being dicks now, get behind it and do what is in the interests of the uk, not play petty party politics.

"I do not think it reasonable to say the people leading brexit are doing so based on emotion."

You've got to be kidding. Have you read any of what Arron Banks and Dominic Cummings have written about their respective Leave campaign strategies?

"I think people should stop being dicks now, get behind it and do what is in the interests of the uk, not play petty party politics."

Doing what is in the interests of the UK sadly does not mean getting behind Brexit.

MistigrI

I agree, my responess were in order to clarify that, fascism was often a doctrine of the left and not just the right.

This is to help people who feel that it is something to fear only from the right wing. I always find it baffling that socialists are often the first to dish out the Nazi slur, when htiler rose to power on the back of National Socialism.

It is also my opinion that left wing politics increases the involvement/control of the lives of individuals. I feel that left wing politics often steers towards illiberalism.

I think people should stop being dicks now, get behind it and do what is in the interests of the uk, not play petty party politics.
Who's playing party politics? May and her pandering to Majors "bastards" seems to be the main culprit here.
And in terms of getting behind it I would have reluctantly got behind a version of say, the Norway arrangement but absolutely no chance will I ever get behind a hard Brexit of the type being pursued currently. The Norway option would still not be something I agreed with but I would have accepted that a mandate existed as the Tories included both the ref and single market commitment in their manifesto. So not a "dick" thanks, more of a believer in the democratic process and the concept of a mandate. Plus as has been pointed out a zillion times to the "move on" brigade - part of living in a democracy is being able to hold and express an opposing view for as long as you may wish.

ron and misti - thanks for your posts. Really interesting stuff.

I agree YER, there is obsession with Fascism and yet its socialism/communism that has wrecked most havoc for longer with more deaths across centuries.

Loads of party politics going on YER is 100% right and its tedious beyond belief, its excruciating because its like conversing with the brain washed.

Ponders - is being Regressive LEFT the new religion?

Think so Mr exit sorry

Sorry bananagio the dick remark was rather a response to being called an imperial dickswinger. Not aimed at you at all.

The court ruled that parliment needed to vote on it and it went through. Parliment is sovereign.

Yes of course it is people's right to bang on about it for ages, but is it helpful or in the national interest? What do you hope to achieve?

I think you mean Regressive Europhile Mrexit?

May and her pandering to Majors "bastards" seems to be the main culprit here

Wow, get out of Bananagios way, massive dick swinging out of control.

I think people should stop being dicks now

You could start with yourself.
Drop the hyperbole.
Drop the hectoring.
Drop the accusations of 'whinging'.
Try to understand that people are concerned about the future of their country and are appalled by the direction it seems to be heading in. You might not agree with them, but calling people dicks is not going to make them come around to your way of thinking, is it?

He was speaking of a subgroup of leftism who will support or pander to the needs of a person or organisation belonging to any minority regardless of their actions (Even sometimes terrorist organisations), whilst taking the moral high ground using their lefty credentials and will scream racist at anyone who does not share that view.

It was coined by maajid nawaaz.

Yes of course it is people's right to bang on about it for ages, but is it helpful or in the national interest? What do you hope to achieve?

There you go again... accusing posters of 'banging on' is just another attempt at shutting down discussion.
Try to accept, if you can, that a lot of people think the 'national interest' is not best served by Brexit and that many of us have been asking the 'What do you hope to achieve?' question for several months now and are still no closer to a sensible answer.

Twofingers

I was called an imperial dickswinger.... that was more of a response than aimed at you.

Come on ladies let's all get our dicks out and start swinging...

Wooooooohooòoooooo!

I'm more mint imperial than imperial dickswinger.