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My Romanian dentist...

148 replies

MrsPeterDoherty · 20/02/2017 12:39

...is leaving the UK shortly due to Brexit.

There is a shortage of NHS dentist already in my home town. It will be difficult to find a new practice with space available for my family and me.

Thanks to the Leave voters, I will have rotten teeth!

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EssentialHummus · 23/02/2017 12:03

Why would you leave purely because of Brexit?

aqua and anon - I can't speak for the OP's dentist, but having had a year of our elected representatives and some sectors of the population trying to out-Brexit one another in their ability to paint migrants in a negative light, I'm inclined to pay my taxes elsewhere. I moved here because I found the UK tolerant and open-minded. It certainly doesn't feel like that now.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 23/02/2017 12:05

Article in the Guardian today that 12,000 EU trained doctors are cosidering leaving the UK as a result of Brexit and post-Brexit anti-immigrant attitudes
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/23/thousands-eea-doctors-may-leave-uk-after-brexit-survey-bma

Oh no, no, no, this can't be right, because Aqua has taken taxis with Polish and Romanian taxi drivers and none of them have told her that they are considering leaving.

AquaLatte · 23/02/2017 12:08

But it must be right because ops dentist is off? Grin

AquaLatte · 23/02/2017 12:12

I'd love to know how many of you actually have mates, work with, socialise with just normal European migrants? Not professionals, not doctors or dentists, just normal working people. They are not planning on going anywhere. UNLESS they already had plans to leave. We've just visiting friends in Poland. Same story it's always been, some people who came here and hated it so went back, some people who come for a bit to make money or educate their kids and some people who live here and have no plans to go anywhere. Your average working class European doesn't give a toss about Brexit.

It's complete scaremongering amongst remainers.

Anon1234567890 · 23/02/2017 12:15

elected representatives and some sectors of the population trying to out-Brexit one another in their ability to paint migrants in a negative light

I haven't heard a single elected representative paint immigrant dentists (or any skilled immigrants) in a negative light.
FYI half the UK is painted in a negative light, from benefit scroungers, Muslims, train drivers, to bankers and big businesses.

Bragadocia · 23/02/2017 12:23

When anyone uses the phrase 'brightest and best,' I just hear

Interestingly, the immigration data out today says that although lots of Polish people have left, the number of Bulgarians and Romanians arriving in the UK rose last year by 19,000 to 74,000. Perhaps people will be taking the opportunity to experience a gap year of living in Britain before the gates fly up. I can see that I might have done the same, if it were a 'now or never' chance to experience life and work in, say, Denmark.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 23/02/2017 12:23

I'd love to know how many of you actually have mates, work with, socialise with just normal European migrants?

Oh because your taxi driver didn't tell you he was concerned, you are now the expert. Grin

What point are you making with your distinction between professionals and non professionals?

What is it? You think it doesn't matter that so many professionals are considering leaving?

I do have many friends who are non professionals 'normal working people (as opposed to er not-normal working people) and some are normal not-working people too. They are very concerned.

birdybirdywoofwoof · 23/02/2017 12:26

BMA warns of impending ‘disaster’ as its research shows 40% of doctors who qualified in EEA may leave because they feel less welcome

Meh. These are not normal working people. Who gives a shit.

Lunde · 23/02/2017 12:29

olliegarchy
Well of course a survey is based on a sample - most are but looking at the results
42% - considering leaving
25% - not considering leaving
23% - unsure
Even if a smaller number leave - say 5000 - how would the UK manage these losses?

Althought no-one knows for definite who will leave/stay the fact that EU staff are feeling unwelcome and less committed than before brexit,

  • the NHS is being run down,
  • medical staff are under intensive stress
  • doctors have just had an unpopular contract imposed on them,
  • Brexit is going to have huge implications for medical research
  • higher university fees and the withdrawl of nursing bursaries makes it a less attractive proposition.
Yet the UK has a huge recruiting crisis and no real plan for tackling this or training new staff

However the declining morale is also a major problem

EssentialHummus · 23/02/2017 12:32

I haven't heard a single elected representative paint immigrant dentists (or any skilled immigrants) in a negative light.

The point is that "EU migrants" and "controlling immigration" isn't expanded on to the effect that this country would actually like educated or skilled migrants, but would like a greater say in who turns up - "we'll control our borders" puts highly educated, highly paid migrants in the same category as the Romanian beggars at Marble Arch.

I also think PP's distinction between professional and non- is farcical. So professional, educated, usually high tax-paying migrants are f-ing off, but it's ok because the average working-class European - who could probably be more easily be replaced by your average working-class Brit than the former - doesn't mind and hasn't been put off at all. Great.

Lunde · 23/02/2017 12:38

Why would you leave purely because of Brexit? If you are otherwise happy here. Genuine question

I think that Brexit is the straw that broke the camels back after the funding crisis. the contract imposition and political discourse of "bad" doctors who need to work harder! Now after Brexit people are being made to jump through hoops to establish their right to work here - so experienced doctors will be seeing the attraction of - for example - moving to a Scandi country as a GP and only seeing 3-4 patients and hour.

Many are upset at being treated as political pawns by May and Ministers. I think the feelings of unease were summed up by a German GP who has worked in Britain for 20years
“Since the result of the EU referendum I feel increasingly uncertain about my future here, and am considering returning to Germany. It is unsettling that in a country that I have contributed to for 20 years and consider home, I am now seen as a foreigner and have to prove that I deserve to live and work here,” said Dr Birgit Woolley, a German-born GP who has worked in Britain for 20 years.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 23/02/2017 12:39

My work collegue is concerned if thats any help

RueDeDay · 23/02/2017 12:42

Our only NHS dental practice has just closed because they can't find staff Sad Our nearest one is now a 45 minute car journey away, and isn't accepting new NHS patients anyway.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 23/02/2017 12:43

But the taxi drivers are staying

Focus people!!!

Anyone getting flashbacks to The restaurant at the end of the universe? Telephone handset cleaners, thats all i am saying

Anon1234567890 · 23/02/2017 12:45

"we'll control our borders" puts highly educated, highly paid migrants in the same category as the Romanian beggars
No it doesn't mean that at all. Controlling our borders means an end to the special privilege that anyone in the EU can come and live in the UK. It says nothing about immigrants already living here. It says nothing about ending immigration. It says nothing about painting immigrants in a bad light. So maybe the Romanian dentist is confused about the meaning of Brexit, perhaps the OP could explain it to him.

Anon1234567890 · 23/02/2017 12:47

It is unsettling that in a country that I have contributed to for 20 years and consider home, I am now seen as a foreigner and have to prove that I deserve to live and work here,” said Dr Birgit Woolley
So why doesn't he get a UK passport?

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 23/02/2017 12:49

Who says he doesnt have a uk passport?

AquaLatte · 23/02/2017 12:50

Are you purposely trying to be facetious?

Normal working people. Cleaners, taxi drivers, school non academic staff, service staff, chefs. I.e. People who don't have professional qualifications. I work, socialise and live with these people. And they are not bothered about Brexit. Certainly not planning on leaving because of it. It's as anecdotal as OPs dentist leaving.

Re the German GP. Why take it so personally? This isn't the country of his birth. Why is it a problem to have to fill in some forms so he can stay here. I would expect nothing less from a country I decided to move to. And why hasn't he applied for citizenship if he's lived here for 20 years?

Anon1234567890 · 23/02/2017 12:55

Who says he doesnt have a uk passport?

If he had a UK passport then he wouldn't need to prove he was allowed to
live and work here and he wouldn't be a foreigner.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 23/02/2017 13:00

Of course he would have to prove it

you are making no sense

Seriously

Even if he had a uk passport the very fact that he has to show it if someone asks if he is british means that he is having to prove it

Lots of people hear the accent and make assumptions

And i dont know if he has a passport or not...and i dont think he should have one if he doesnt want it and his old passport is suitable to travelling

birdybirdywoofwoof · 23/02/2017 13:01

I don't understand what is being said here.

There is a massive shortage of dentists in the UK. This dentist is leaving because of Brexit. That's a bit worrying.

People on here:

  • Yay, lucky Romania??
  • Well, he's not leaving because of Brexit ??
  • my taxi driver friends are staying ??? I bet you don't have any taxi driver friends.
RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 23/02/2017 13:01

And why hasn't he applied for citizenship if he's lived here for 20 years?

Because he didnt need to

In the same way friends of mine are not french citizens

Bet they are applying now

Anon1234567890 · 23/02/2017 13:05

Even if he had a uk passport the very fact that he has to show it if someone asks if he is british means that he is having to prove it
WTF Confused No one is going around asking Germans to prove they have a UK passport.

Anon1234567890 · 23/02/2017 13:08

There is a massive shortage of dentists in the UK
Because it was cheaper to import migrants to do the job. Brexit will lead to us training more dentists, nurses etc... so another plus to leaving the EU.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 23/02/2017 13:10

I think we need to leave it there anon

I dont really understand why you think he doesn't have a uk passport

I am well aware that no one is asking to see passports Smile