My Romanian dentist...

[MrsPeterDoherty]

...is leaving the UK shortly due to Brexit.

There is a shortage of NHS dentist already in my home town. It will be difficult to find a new practice with space available for my family and me.

Thanks to the Leave voters, I will have rotten teeth!

To be honest given that as a remainer I feel less welcome, less British and less like a citizen of my own country I really don't blame the EU citizens for leaving!
Especially those who are well educated with good transferable skills - if I had their options our belongings would be in storage, our house would be on the rental market and our flights would be booked.

For what it's worth you have to go back 5 generations before you find an immigrant in my family tree, I still don't feel welcome in Murdoch Incorporated UK PLC. I even considered sacrificing 2 years to a Maths PGCE/NQT year to help with emigration points....

Feels weird doesnt it dormouse

Thanks Rufus, yes it does! Luckily my husband was also remain and is happy to come to marches but he isn't on board with operation emigrate, fair enough really as I insisted we move close to my family after uni (staying in uni city or living near his family not an option but we could have moved chasing better jobs)

Hope all those leaving due to Brexit find a better life xx

Lower skilled workers are likely to stay, because they they don't have many options elsewhere

Hwever, mobile skilled professionals don't have to suck it up if they feel unwelcome or worried about their future if they later become a SAHP or carer;
They have their choice of other countries.
The NHS is already short of doctors in many fields, so queues for treatment and surgery will be longer if E27 doctors leave.

In NHS England, 18-33% of doctors are E27 citizens in these vital fields:
pediatric cardiology, pediatric and perinatal diagnostics, cardio-thoracic surgery and neurosurgery

www.politico.eu/article/nhs-faces-dearth-of-pediatric-doctors-surgeons-from-hard-brexit/

This graphic show the % of E27 surgeons in key specialities

I know several UK scientists, who like me have now moved to Germany. We don't want to wait, as the R & D jobs are already going.
The brain drain is well under way.
Germany has the welcome mat out for British STEM graduates

A UK consultant doctor costs about £600 k to train. The UK govt funds medical degrees dependent on their policy and what the economy can bear. We currently do not have enough med students coming out and staying here to fill training places. Since the intro of tuition fees the number going into medicine has dropped. The number of trainee nurses has dropped since bursaries are gone. It's a matter of simple economics. Can you afford to train and is it worth it if you do....

I don't think our current government can do simple economics, sadly.

What nonsense. Romanian dentists my eye. We do not need any European people in our NHS.

Train British people, British doctors and nurses. Train British dentists.

Is anyone seriously suggesting British people cannot become doctors, dentists, nurses. How silly. If our government made the facilities accessible instead of trying to price education out of the reach of our people we wouldn't have any problems at all. It worked 30/40 years ago.

What is so difficult about that. It is so simple.

It worked 30/40 years ago.

It didn't actually, but maybe you weren't old enough to realise that or are you saying it tongue in cheek? There's certainly no shortage of potential medical school candidates, but it has always been policy to refuse to train sufficient health care staff, preferring to poach them from elsewhere. Prior to the EU they were from Commonwealth countries - as you might notice even now, seeing the number of Indian Drs working in the NHS.

Migration and NHS

The NHS has relied from overseas doctors and nurse since it started.

To the posters asking "why don't they just apply for citizenship and get a British passport?"

A) Not many countries allow double citizenship.

B) Many countries require you to renounce to your previous citizenship if you apply to a new one.

C) Risking losing your EU passport to embrace a British one when the UK is just about to leave the EU does not make sense.

D) Getting citizenship of a country whose many citizens have shown they don't want you (as it happens since June last year to many of my Spanish colleagues who work there, who have never ever been told to "go back to where you come from" so many times) is not an attractive option.

By the way, I know MANY of my Spanish scientist friends who have left, or are in the process of leaving, the UK directly because of Brexit. Their EU funding has died. European research groups are now much less likely to start projects with British counterparts.

Many countries require you to renounce to your previous citizenship if you apply to a new one.

So your parents retired to Spain, and now decide that they need to take out Spanish citizenship, when dual Nationality is not allowed for British citizens. Some time later your DF dies and your DM is stuck out there as a Spanish citizen, with no right to return. I assume you are fine with this? Given the number of British citizens who have retired to Spain, it's not an unlikely scenario. This will be one of those 'not thought through' outcomes. The Govt. as has been made clear by the notification, really did think we could cherry pick.

"It didn't actually..."

It did, actually.

We have always relied on people from overseas to staff our NHS. If it worked, and since it worked differently, it's hard to make direct comparisons, it never worked with just UK born and bred staff. I was alive then.

My father was an NHS psychiatrist in its early days. We lived on site in a house in one of the big old asylums. I well remember the lovely Indian and Polish doctors and Irish nurses - this in the 50s and 60s.
My mother was Irish and a nurse. She worked in Liverpool and Gloucester in the war - everywhere she went she got bombed.
(Sne also remembered whole families dying of diphtheria. The good old days were not so good for everyone.)

What nonsense. Romanian dentists my eye. We do not need any European people in our NHS...Train British people, British doctors and nurses. Train British dentists... Is anyone seriously suggesting British people cannot become doctors, dentists, nurses. How silly. If our government made the facilities accessible instead of trying to price education out of the reach of our people we wouldn't have any problems at all. It worked 30/40 years ago...What is so difficult about that. It is so simple.
WTAF? One of the reasons for NHS staff shortages is almost certainly down to education being priced out of the reach of students, which is precisely why we DO need EU (and non-EU) immigrants to staff the NHS. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
It worked 30/40 years ago - Are you really trying to suggest that the NHS was fully staffed by proper British people in the good old days? My childhood GP (approx 55 years ago) was an Indian and my dentist was a Hungarian. Furthermore West Indian immigration was positively encouraged in the fifties and sixties so that we could staff the NHS and our transport system.

Some of the attitudes on MN are truly eye-opening...

My dad (ultimately a consultant paediatric radiologist) was an immigrant from one of those pesky Commonwealth countries. Ok, he wasn't initially qualified: he studied here - but he had to pay as a foreign student.

Actually, if my mum hadn't been able to bring him in to the country (she could claim a British passport as she was born here wouldn't be able to do that today, nor would she be able to bring in a dh and 2 kids), he'd have probably claimed political asylum, as he already had a file on him for his political activities in his home country the country of my birth.

I remember Pakistani, Sri Lankan and Iranian colleagues at the hospitals he worked at, coming to dinner, even back in the 70s.

It seems the leave bots don't have the facts again.

Actually even prior to the NHS healthcare shortages were plugged by immigration. Once the NHS started it got even larger, Indian Doctors, West Indian .

Ranting, hyerbolic, and counterfactual.

In 2009, I was lucky enough to attend a "Cameron Direct" event at a local (my DS) school.

Despite his wanting to talk about how great the Tories were with the economy, every question was about immigration - with Polish and Eastern European being singled out in particular.

After about 20 minutes, he said he'd hoped he could talk about the NHS, as there was lots of Tory goodness in store for that, and asked if anyone had a question about that.

The first question was from a South African anaesthetist who asked if there was any point in them continuing to work for the NHS in the UK if so many people wanted to get rid of foreigners. Camerons could only respond by talking about investing in the NHS ...

Many Cameron Direct events were videoed and put on the Tory party website. Mysteriously, this one wasn't.

Your argument does not hold water, utter bilge.

What does world immigrants have to do with leaving the EU? People are fooled into thinking as types like Farage are against the EU then they care about British people, when his main concern was to make sure the British economy stays closely linked with USA banks, encouraging people to live in greed and debt, so he can sell his get rich quick schemes based on stock market gambling. People who support him call things lefty as an insult, for what in fact is promoted by USA capitalism and British Tories. Such as the USA is the main promoter to the world of a melting pot society. Only a USA magazine made Bruce Jenner woman of the year, etc.
While all actual lefty countries promote, such as most countries in north Europe & Scandinavia, are free health care, free or affordable university and not being in debt with credit cards.

I know this is an old post, but it came up while I was doing a google search about dentists. I had a Romanian dentist who did all my fillings wrong and I was wondering if it's possible that a large private dental organisation could employ fake foreign dentists.