To wonder if there are any Leave voters who actually are having second thoughts about Brexit

[Bearbehind]

Following Tony Blairs call for Remainers to convince Leavers to change their mind I'm wondering if there are actually any Leavers who are worried and might prefer us not to be going in the direction we are heading.

From what I've seen Leavers are more determined than ever and really don't seem in the slightest bit concerned about any negative repercussions so they're not going to be swayed.

Who is Blair aiming his comments at?

speaks volumes about the level of denial IMO. Prior to the vote there were countless threads on AIBU/Chat about the referendum.

Bear, I agree. But it isn't surprising, given how many leavers seem to think we should just suck it up and stop taking about it. I think a lot of people feel that the decision is made and that we should just stop talking about it.

Agree and this is so worrying. I only very occasionally come across leavers who are able to debate and respond to questions from remainers with knowledge of understanding. Vote leave and back to debating baby names.These are the people who are now pushing UK over the cliff.

I think the insulting comments are why the threads end up being moved !

The insulting comments ie the questions being asked?

I'm happy to keep talking about it and appreciate the effort to keep all like minded threads together under topic headings it makes it easier to find and read them.

What insulting comments?

My insulting comment was made after it was moved, because it was moved.

It's like a bloody playground.

I won't quote in its entirety but the gist was - leavers are stupid and belong discussing baby names.

Well in fairness leavers seem to prefer to discuss baby names as they are more informed and able to hold their own in heated debates on this topic.

On this thread?

Creampink you said twice that: due to the high levels of immigration from some EU member countries, this then limited the immigration (in areas we actually need) from other countries.

What makes you think that? Which areas do you mean?

And you also said that workers rights will be better protected outside the EU? Can you tell us what makes you feel that?

I actually find it very insulting to be told its done, get over it, when many of us are now facing the very real consequences of Brexit. In my situation is moving my family abroad. Perhaps I am lucky to be able to move with my job but its still uprooting my children from the country where they have grown up. I am afraid the future for young people is bleak in the UK.

Jelly and Birdy - those are not necessarily my arguments. They are the arguments of some leavers. Which I now understand. Though I do agree that globalisation can't be counteracted by remaining.

Caprinaa- comments like that are really unhelpful.

Caprianna - sorry, I was referring to your baby names comment.

I'd be happy to support leave if I saw some convincing arguments as to why being outside the EU was better. That would make me really happy as at the moment I can only see actual inflation, job losses, unnecessary division and skilled EU workers (teachers, nurses...) not wanting to come because of the uncertainty. I'd like to hear some good news.

Birdy put simply, we have a right wing government in place now who supported marriage between same sex couples, have free childcare to parents of toddlers and raised the minimum wage twice. I don't feel workers' rights are in imminent danger. What does threaten workers' rights is over supply: if you as an employer know that you can have someone in place by the end of the day to do a job, it makes workers' bargaining powers weaker.

As regards immigration from non EU countries, there is a concern about immigration levels which transcends parties.

Either a government chooses to ignore those concerns, as Cameron did and it didn't work, or tell the people they heard their concerns but they were wrong, as Brown did which certainly didn't work - or says in effect 'well, we hear your concerns so we will continue to allow immigration from EU countries because we have to, but to counter this effect we will cease some immigration from non EU countries.'

In its crudest form therefore, we either allow immigration levels to rise beyond what they are now - and I think the most ardent EU supporter would concede they are high - or we counter it by restricting entry to non EU countries, and, incidentally, to refugees.

In its crudest form therefore, we either allow immigration levels to rise beyond what they are now - and I think the most ardent EU supporter would concede they are high - or we counter it by restricting entry to non EU countries, and, incidentally, to refugees

Exactly. Refugees have been treated appallingly due to the fact we have no control of EU migration. It's disgusting.

Exactly. Refugees have been treated appallingly due to the fact we have no control of EU migration. It's disgusting.

What? There is no fixed level of immigration that we are not allowed to pass.
You think that if EU migration was lower that refugees would be welcomed with open arms?

Where is the evidence that our attitude towards refugees has anything to do with EU immigration?

What does threaten workers' rights is over supply:

Also, what does threaten workers' rights is lack of demand. As in at least 2,000 fewer jobs (so far) because they've been moved to the EU.

Look at the ridiculous fuss kicked up by the media about a few hundred refugees coming over here...The number was insignificant compared with EU migration.

You think that if EU migration was lower that refugees would be welcomed with open arms?

Not open arms maybe but certainly with more tolerance.

I know that jelly, but when people are already edgy about overcrowding, especially when coinciding with government cuts, they lose compassion.

Not open arms maybe but certainly with more tolerance.

I'm seeing very little evidence of tolerance post referendum.

but when people are already edgy about overcrowding, especially when coinciding with government cuts, they lose compassion.

perfect storm for the right isn't it? Vote Tory, get cuts blame migrants.

creampinkrose People may be pissed off about government cuts but it's not EU migration that's causing those cuts.

I thought that was one of the arguments for voting leave; so that the Government could no longer blame migrants for terrible provision of services?