Westministenders: Boris and God Knows what next. (I'm all out of ideas!)

[RedToothBrush]

Still a week until Stoke and Copeland. (Labour Hold/Con Gain unless something strange happens) QT is from Stoke next week.

A50 hits the Lords next week. Melania is being lined up to do something for the women. (God help us all).

Will UKIP survive? Will Nuttall survive? Will Labour survive? Will Trump survive? Will CNN survive? Will the Lords survive? Will Theresa May survive a class room of children?

All these questions and more

But yes Human Rights Act is a good call.

Equally I have to time at all for Blair and Mandelson.

And yet desperate times bring desperate measures. Compared to May, Davis, Fox... on a scale of comparative iniquity... the Tories scrape the bottom.

Blair is a lying cunt who directly caused the death and mutilation of thousands of British citizens & 100s of thousands of others.

Even if he was grandstanding for a cause close to my heart, I could not bring myself to 'find the good' or spout trite 'enemy of my enemy' crap.

Of course, Margaret Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron, Theresa May would never lie or mislead or lead their country to war, would they?!!
Upstanding, honest citizens they are!

This is exactly what the Brexit campaign are hoping for: that you will tear Tony Blair apart and his message will be lost by the wayside.

What would the response have been if Blair had come out in favour of Brexit?

Thanks Red. Your new threads are NEVER uninspired!

Semi we've no idea yet what godforsaken military interventions the Tories and our association with Trump will lead us into. Personally I haven't forgotten the Faulklands and NI.

May clearly opposes it, but shes not on the same page as Trump let alone Bannon, and she probably won't last more than a couple of years.

If she's replaced by a dick swinger, all hell could break loose.

The reason for the Iraq war and privatised NHS is our role as air strip 1.

For as long as Britain has been an 'economic' and not a cultural project (which is forever in its short history) it is vulnerable to the the moral, physical and political perviousness, which we are living through now.

There are earthier ways of putting this.

I agree Tanith and Peregrina
Blair touches a nerve somewhere, as well as with those who paid for his reputation to be trashed.

Of course, Margaret Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron, Theresa May would never lie or mislead or lead their country to war, would they?!!

Of that I have no doubt. But would they have done this:

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Remember: the "intelligence" he persuades us with is already known to be questionable, if not completely wrong. (Source "Debussey" was hopelessly compromised ....)

LH England is a vassal nation, always was, always will be.
Harold Wilson, only had the guts to stand up to Johnson because the country hadn't been fluffed by Thatcher into its current, "compromised" position.

And because Blair touches a good many nerves, it is exceedingly unhelpful that he has made any comment about Brexit.

If only he had the self-awareness to realise that.

Watch out for confusing civilian morality with political reality. Two very different games.

What would the response have been if Blair had come out in favour of Brexit?

Exactly the same, from my part.
I hate him.

Semi we've no idea yet what godforsaken military interventions the Tories and our association with Trump will lead us into. Personally I haven't forgotten the Faulklands and NI.

What may or may not happen in the future has not yet happened, so not relevant in this context - Blair is a proven liar with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands.

The Falkland Islanders were invaded by Argentina - they are British, not because Britain has 'told them' they are, but because they want to be.
To have abandoned British citizens to a fate they did not want would have been unforgivable.

NI I can't make any comment on as I don't know enough about that first hand (other than what I've read & what I grew up watching on the news which I now realise was very skewed).

I am with woman on Tony Blair. He has made a total hash of Iraq, but what he did for the North and working mothers is just all being pulled back and erased.
What will Cornyn / Johnson / Gove ever achieve that will make so many people's lives so much better.
With hindsight W seems quite sane and a trustworthy ally. I mean Trump hopes to go back to Iraq to capture the oilfields.

So who is going to lead the fightback in this country, if Blair is so hated?

In fact, I remember Blair referring to himself as a 'toxic brand' in December and assuring people he wouldn't lead any campaign against brexit.

In the absence of any one, at all stepping up to the plate, looks like he has.

Harold Wilson, only had the guts to stand up to Johnson because the country hadn't been fluffed by Thatcher into its current, "compromised" position.

... one view.

Another is that Wilson knew that getting too close to the US would mean he'd be toasted by the Labour party domestically. Oh look, political self-interest being spun as "for the good of the country". Come in Theresa May, your game is up.

(Either way, the UKs absence from Vietnam was undoubtly a Good Thing).

Remember in "Yes Prime Minster", Hacker was more afraid of his own backbenchers than the opposition.

To have abandoned British citizens to a fate they did not want would have been unforgivable.

Back to Northern Ireland. Or indeed 48% of the UK ....

The path to the Falklands was fairly straightforward, although it was essentially fought for PR. But the dishonesty of Tory policy in NI - collusion, corruption, coverup and state sanctioned murder - Finucane is the tip of the iceberg - is absolutely equal in iniquity to Blair's lies about Iraq.

We have corrupt shitty governments that make bad decisions, we have to accept that and work with what we've got.

Blair and Mandelson are tarnished by their past, I don't think the Remain cause can be united by people who are so unpopular. However, given their experience and poiliticicans, particularly Mandelson's grasp of trade, we actually need all the help we can get.

Exactly lurking....

*as politicians

Clegg leading the anti-Brexit charge is bad enough. If you ally him with Blair then you have a whole other World of people to galvanise against the cause.

Pleased to see pp agreeing with my view that Brown not Blair was responsible for t

LH brilliant Steve Richards 'lecture ' on BBC parliament on Wilson recently.
When asked what his proudest achievement was, Wilson said " Keeping the party together".

Different times, different times. USSR was ostensibly socialist.
There is no reference point for the left atm, and thus its existential crisis.

If I was fascisty evangelistic white alt right man or an SWP activist I'd be going in for the kill now too. It's politics, but not as we've known it Jim.

What may or may not happen in the future has not yet happened, so not relevant in this context - Blair is a proven liar with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands.

It is, because they will be judged in the aggregate in retrospect.

May is already a proven liar. She and the Brexiteers have already betrayed the country. Their choices will cause untold suffering for the population.

Whether we collude with the US on further ill advised military shenanigans remains to be seen, but I have exactly the same concerns about where our intimacy with the US will lead now as I did when Blair first got in, except now we are more dependent and more desparate.