If leaving the EU is a complete and utter disaster, who will you blame?

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Ten years down the line, the economy is struggling because of it, troubles in NI are inflamed again, I'm scared to even think what might go wrong in Gibraltar or a split with Scotland. Anyway, if it is a huge mistake, who will be at fault?

Scary if you are still around , can you explain why you think QMV is a bad thing please ?

Anyone who believes we are dictated to by the 'unelected' who do you mean exactlyin the EU , are you talking about the EU parliament ?

Debbie you sound a bit desperate. We don't use the Euro, in case you haven't noticed

how why! Because I said who are you going to blame when the glue of the EU fails [grins] Or maybe you didn't watch the link and saw red at my post and thought I wrote those words Because its too painful to contemplate the Euro and the EU is likely to fail.

I am glad we are leaving. And we have head start to shore ourselves up. Its a race in the EU as to who will pull out of it first.

Joseph Stiglitz > feels EURO will fail.

Stiglitz has received more than 40 honorary degrees, including from Harvard, Oxford, and Cambridge Universities and been decorated by several governments including Korea, Colombia, Ecuador, and most recently France, where he was appointed a member of the Legion of Honor, order Officer.

Based on academic citations, Stiglitz is the 4th most influential economist in the world today,[12] and in 2011 he was named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

He sounds like an expert! I thought we were tired of experts?

I don't like the word snowflake either I don't have a list but if I had one I would add it to it.

Theresa May live ! Lots of Churchill.

I think its OK to have experts on the Remain side, not so much on the Leave side.

Mulloch is also an expert.

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Economic projections are made more complex by the fact that predicting what will happen next, has an affect on what happens next. I hope the Euro won't collapse (although I was always against the UK joining), but the US ambassador advising investors to short it certainly won't help to stabilise it, and is an irresponsible, deliberatively provocative statement for him to make.
And I don't know what will happen next in Europe, but I hope the EU is successful without us and I have very little time with those who are gleeful about the prospect of an EU collapse. Who do you think will suffer the most? The most vulnerable and the poorest. Doubtless it will be good news for a few short-selling millionaires and despots.

"Mulloch is also an expert."

Do you mean Malloch? Yes, he has expertise and experience but he is also a huge Trump fan, and will be reflecting his position to a certain extent. (I thought a lot of the Trump-leaver types on here hated Oxbridge experts?)

Has an effect. Effect and affect mean different things.

Otherwise I agree with you entirely squishy, sorry

Gahh, you're right Cecile! Can I blame it on a typo? I do know the difference really!

'Brexit is important'
Yep that's why it is essential to get your facts right before taking that sort of decision.

Unfortunately, it seems that Leavers had and hesitation is using lies to convince people to vote for them.
And when they couldn't, they managed to convince people that experts couldn't be trusted.
So yes I would hold accountable anyone who has been such a prat to to do any of that (and that includes a few people on this thread on the top of our usual politicians and tabloids)

Special mention for David Cameron for being a crap politicians who couldn't even think of having some safeguard when he set up the referendum (e.g. It's onnly advisor, amendment to the bill etc etc - all of which were proposed ta the time to avoid the exact situation we are in now).

In some ways, i do envy the ones who think it will be all rosy and fantastic. At least they can sleep at night. I can't.

Brexit is important , well who knew eh ?

Remainers are constantly lambasted for being mean about people who simply have different opinions to them . The problem is opinions are not neccessarily fact based . So you can say ' In my opinion the EU is rubbish ' and that would be a valid opinion to hold , because it is simply an opinion .

The problem occurs when people vote simply based on their opinion , to be fair I think a lot of us vote with our opinions in mind , that is human nature .

The referendum was an occasion of such monumental importance , that it needed people to vote not based on opinion , but on cold hard facts .

In some ways, i do envy the ones who think it will be all rosy and fantastic
Me too Smurfs. I sometimes wish that there was a treatment I could take to make me see it as a straightforward process. I thought for a while that reading the Daily Telegraph once a day might do the trick, but even that is starting to be more realistic about the mess the tories have dropped us in.

I'm so sorry, squishy, it has been a very long week and I was tired and snappy when I so rudely corrected you.

No need to apologise Cecile, nothing wrong with standards!

While we're on the blame game, can I also nominate Glastonbury and the torrential rain and floods that took place in London on 23rd June. In all probability people likely to vote remain didn't make it to the polling stations that day.

Is that because snowflakes melt in the rain?

it needed people to vote not based on opinion, but on cold hard facts

Only what was going to happen inside or outside the EU was unknowable, so there only was opinions and predictions.

Euro = some different to EU
True fact.

Personally I think Euro probably won't survive. That doesn't mean the EU should go too.

Because it's a different thing.

The idea we should leave the EU because if it collapses we will be exposed to it is flawed logic.

If we are outside the EU if it collaspes we will be just as exposed. Leaving doesn't protect us from the contagion of a currency collaspe.

While we're blaming Glastonbury, I'd like to blame Southern Rail. The combination of their appalling service and the dreadful weather turned a 1 hour 10 minute journey from London to Sussex into an almost five hour journey. Two people I know didn't make it to the polling station before it closed, despite leaving work around teatime.

Jamies, nice try but there are lots of facts about the EU.

One of the big lies promulgated by Leave was that we needed to control our borders. The FACT is that we have never not had control of our borders.

Welcome to Mumsnet by the way.