If leaving the EU is a complete and utter disaster, who will you blame?

[fakenamefornow]

Ten years down the line, the economy is struggling because of it, troubles in NI are inflamed again, I'm scared to even think what might go wrong in Gibraltar or a split with Scotland. Anyway, if it is a huge mistake, who will be at fault?

the ability to make our country prosperous is dependant upon how well we scrutinise and challenge politicians Only scrutinise is often code for pushing your own agenda, truly independent scrutiny seems to be hard to come by. And all the 'experts' who said the UK would tank the day after a vote to leave were wrong because today's figures show we are the fastest growing economy in the G7. That's not blind optimism that is hard facts.

Staying in the EU was more of a punt in the dark, all the experts seem to be predicting the Euro is a disaster and the EU might be on the brink of collapse, where is the evidence that the EU is a strong stable grouping and all its members will have prosperous economies?

Scottish people might want to leave the UK but it will be the SNP who will give them the referendum and sell them the result. The word 'fault' was chosen by the op not me.

Anyone who can describe the decisions and consequences or Britain leaving the EU as "straightforward" does not understand the issues Will have to agree to disagree, I did not say it wouldn't be hard but I stand by straightforward. What is complicated is the politics of keeping all of the people happy all of the time, which shouldn't be used as a reason not to do it.

Is it right or wrong for the government to set out a negotiating target that Britain must be able to have control over immigration from EU countries? 74% YES 12% NO (17-18 January 2017)

"today's figures show we are the fastest growing economy in the G7. That's not blind optimism that is hard facts."

You know we are still trading within the EU, right?

I missed the PTO on the ballot paper too.
They don't want trade deals with the Commonwealth? Well not the Indian Sub continent, although these days, middle class Indians are pretty well educated with a get up and go which puts many to shame.

Unless of course, May can have her trade deal but not have to accommodate more brown skinned people.

Cameron, for calling the referendum, not being clear enough on the facts, and then pissing off as soon as it didn't go his way instead of seeing us through. What an utter coward.

Jamie, do you honestly think we'll be insulated from the effects of an EU collapse, even outside the EU? The fragility of the EU does worry me, and I also worry that we have helped to further destabilise it.

You know we are still trading within the EU, right?

Service sector companies provided the growth in the latest GDP figures, and there isnt yet a single market for services in the EU.

do you honestly think we'll be insulated from the effects of an EU collapse
No of course not, but the effects won't be as bad as if we were inside.

squishy, The only answer I can see to stabilize the Euro and thus the EU in further integration. We have been an obstacle to that and now we are gone they will be able to do it. Or maybe the EU project has had its day and it was ending whether we left or not.

There is not a complete single market for services, but it is deeply disingenuous to suggest that the service industry does not benefit from mebership of the EU. For eg, financial passporting is a major reason for many financial services being based in Britain.

But the growth was in industries such as retail sales ie people went out and bought more, it had little to do with the EU, it had to do with UK consumers increased confidence.

Jamie truly independent anything is almost impossible to come by. Some scrutiny is better than none, a narrow range of interests taken into account is better than no interests taken into account. Nobody's government is perfect but there is forward movement.

"All the experts seem to be predicting that the Euro is a disaster"? Forgive me if I don't take seriously a statement which can't even decide what tense it is in. Is the Euro a disaster? Is that a prediction? Can you cite five such experts?

truly independent scrutiny is hard to come by. Jamie I certainly agree with that.

You probably remember Osborne's Deregulation Act 2015, and the new legal duty within it to submit all new regulations to a business test, which requires them to be properly costed to demonstrate precisely how they will support economic growth.

Even the smallest change, such as cutting the notice needed to opt out of Sunday working, must submit to 'rigorous scrutiny' to show that economic benefits substantially outweigh costs.

So I look forward with great anticipation to the careful and detailed impact assessment which will show me the economic benefits of the Great Repeal Act, weighed against its precise economic costs. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.

How far we have come, in such a short time.

Chaos.

I think it's actually called the 'Growth Duty'. You couldn't make it up.

Welcome to the world of Alice in Wonderland:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/growth-duty-statutory-guidance

'Blame'?

Seriously?

#threadofsnowflakes

The last 'expert' I read dooming the Euro was Professor Otmar Issing, the European Central Bank’s first chief economist who helped create the single currency. Also 3
former Chancellors, Darling, Lawson and Lamont have all said the Euro is doomed. The Greece problem hasn't been solved, its just been swept under the carpet and will resurface.

However the whole EU could collapse before that happens depending on how the French elections go.

Missed one off the list: users of the word "snowflake" as a catch-all term of abuse. I'm sure we'll be remembering them a few years down the line.

kaiji

Yep, we can add anyone who says "snowflake" to my list as well

And "get a grip" or "move on"

Are we supposed to feel devastation, or humiliation, or a feeling that we've been well and truly rebuked for our preciousness by the use of "snowflake"? I'm never quite sure what the snowflake thrower is expecting

I'm never quite sure what the snowflake thrower is expecting

Immediate public recantation in the face of such a devastating argument, I think.

With that in mind, I shall go and iron my fingers directly.

Well quite. Set that iron to 'linen' now, Element.

^^

Brexit is quit important, why are their so many posters on here treating it like a joke and just exchanging insults. Grow up, your like a bunch of spoiled brats.

"Brexit is quit important, why are their so many posters on here treating it like a joke and just exchanging insults. Grow up, your like a bunch of spoiled brats."

That's quite a good joke you made yourself right there.

Jeez, there's no pleasing people.

Say or think anything negative, get attacked for Remoaning, Talking Britain Down, Not Believing, Being A Snowflake...

Have a grin and a (morbid) laugh, get attacked for Joking and Not Being Grown Up.

All on the same bloody thread.