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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 22:33

'Whatever the outcome of Brexit it will have no actual impact on N.I. other that to be used as an excuse to uncover what was always been there and would have happened anyway'

And I thought your ramblings couldn't get more laughable...

It doesn't suit you to acknowledge the truth of the situation. That is all.

Brexit will have no impact in NI? Christ Al-fucking-mighty.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 22:35

Not concerned about Brexit in NI - we have a thread running at the moment about NI, so I think people are worried. IMO the consensus emerging is that Theresa May doesn't give a sh*t about it. As for most people being worried about domestic issues, that's the same for the whole of the UK.

A friend in Dublin wrote at Christmas expressing concern about Brexit and how it would affect RoI.

Motheroffourdragons · 19/01/2017 22:37

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Peregrina · 19/01/2017 22:38

But the UK leaving the EU messes up the GFA big time. There is much debate on the other thread about a hard border which in turn links to the sectarianism.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 22:40

HashiAsLarry, no its not, people are more concerned about the sectarianism than they are about the EU. Guess you have never been bombed.

I am not going there...

No QT for me tonight. Death in Paradise please. I love a good mindless murder mystery.

Almost as good as a disaster movie. God I love disaster movies and predicting who is going to die first.

Not sure I'm keen on watching Tomorrow's though. (I'll probably boycott on principle).

Sleep well tonight. It might be your last night of sleeping soundly.

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Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 22:40

Not concerned about Brexit in NI
Yes, mumsnet is a bit of an extreme forum it doesn't reflect reflect what real people think.

Brexit will have no impact in NI?
It will impact N.I. but it wont be the cause of new problems it will just be the excuse to release tensions which would have exploded either way.

HashiAsLarry · 19/01/2017 22:42

The level of ignorance is breathtaking. You couldn't make this up could you?

Motheroffourdragons · 19/01/2017 22:43

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RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 22:46

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/latest/UKIPs-North-Cumbria-chairman-resigns-over-appalling-national-leadership-8f6b3ba9-61ef-49ce-a165-fd132f8e5673-ds#.WIE_rHEEdvF.twitter
UKIP's North Cumbria chairman resigns over "appalling" national leadership

Mr Stanyer, a member of UKIP for eight years, said the party leadership including the party chairman, along with most of the NEC, had run the party "appallingly" over the past 12 months.

"They have let the leaders down both Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall, both of whom I still hold in the highest regard.

"But the last straw for me is the way they have treated the UKIP west Cumbria branch with regard to the by-election in Copeland.

"The promised support has not been given and they have treated the local party as idiots.^

"This is so they can fight the Stoke by-election instead. If our party is not capable of fighting two by-elections at the same time how can we ever govern the country."

He's defected to the Tories.

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HashiAsLarry · 19/01/2017 22:46

Only 'real' people voted leave though, the others don't count anymore. And some of those 'real' people are becoming less real if they wanted single market access.

MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 22:46

So patronising too. MN is an 'extreme forum' but the good simple folk of NI aren't bothered a jot about a little thing like the GFA being dismantled. What utter guff you talk.

Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 22:46

But the UK leaving the EU messes up the GFA big time. There is much debate on the other thread about a hard border which in turn links to the sectarianism

I was asked for my views... Leaving the EU doesn't mess up the GFA it messes up the republicans plans for NI to leave the UK. A hard border leads to sectarianism because sectarianism never left NI. A hard border is just the excuse to get the violence back onto the international stage, it was coming even without Brexit.

FYI I have posted on the other thread but under a different name because I have family there that could out them.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 22:50

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/82528/excl-labour-planning-hold-crunch-elections-next-month
EXCL Labour planning to hold crunch by-elections next month

Copeland and Stoke Central - both being planned for 23 Feb.

See story above for one reason why they might be doing that...

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Peregrina · 19/01/2017 22:54

I don't see how it can't mess up the GFA - which is based on the assumption that both countries are in the EU. If one country leaves, where does that leave the GFA? Some sort of agreement would have to be thrashed out and written into a new treaty.

Maybe go over to the other thread? There is mostly a measured discussion going on there. I can't see that anyone wants the violence to recur, but there is a real fear that it could because of the hard-border issue.

MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 22:54

'Leaving the EU doesn't mess up the GFA it messes up the republicans plans for NI to leave the UK. A hard border leads to sectarianism because sectarianism never left NI.'

Wrong again.
If anything a hard border will hasten NI's exit from the UK.

HashiAsLarry · 19/01/2017 22:57

See that fire there? It's been burning for a while hasn't it? I'm worried it's going to grow and burn down my house. Best I throw some fuel onto it then Confused

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 22:57

Britain Elects ‏*@britainelects*

Norton (Bromsgrove) result:
CON: 43.2% (-16.6)
LAB: 36.7% (+7.1)
UKIP: 16.2% (+16.2)
GRN: 3.9% (-6.6)
CON HOLD

That's something of a surprising result...

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Lico · 19/01/2017 22:58

I always find the different media interpretation fascinating:
Here we read: 'Theresa May attempts to reassure..

Will be interesting to read the UK headlines tomorrow, perhaps: 'Steel May, tells them how brilliant the future will be!!'

I really dislike this woman; makes me regret Thatcher who did not have this smug arrogance!
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www.bilan.ch/economie/theresa-may-tente-de-rassurer-lelite-economique-a-davos

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 22:58

OK Supermummy - I wasn't aware you were on the other thread. I can detect some tensions there, but on the whole it's a measured discussion - and one which Theresa May and her miserable crew should be giving some attention to.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 23:03

Honestly, what is happening in Local elections? They seem to be all over the place. That is actually a decent result for Labour, with a comfortable increase, and it looks as though UKIP has mopped up the Tory defectors, although made no difference to the end result.

In Local elections of course, there is usually a dismal turnout, but also a well respected local figure can pick up votes, so they don't always reflect the state of the parties.

Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 23:04

I don't see how it can't mess up the GFA - which is based on the assumption that both countries are in the EU

Where in the GFA does it state that it is contingent upon being in the EU?

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 23:07

GFA - I believe it did in introductory paragraphs, but it's some time since I read the whole thing so I can't quote chapter and verse.

mathanxiety · 19/01/2017 23:07

Weirdly, I have family in NI too, SupperMummy.

To make it even clearer, the rate of sectarian, racist and homophobic violence is falling – people are by and large more at ease living with each other. There is even a modest, unpredicted, increase in mixed housing; surveys show an appetite for integrated education.
Your assertion about violence, etc., is in contrast to a report in the Belfast Telegraph concerning the Community Relations Council report of 2013.
This report cites tribal allegiance demonstrations as an element that is holding NI back.

Paul Nolan, the author of the report, which is published on Wednesday, stressed that the peace itself is unlikely to break down, despite eruptions like the flag protests and the continuing efforts of the dissidents.

It is the economy that is shaky, however. The report warns that "any optimism has to be tempered by the recognition that shocks from the eurozone crisis or the wider global recession may capsize" the hopes of recovery, even in 2025.

It goes on: "The growth figures also rely not just on indigenous industries, but on Northern Ireland making itself appealing to outsiders.

"This is necessary to boost a sluggish tourist industry and to attract foreign direct investment."

It notes that our international image took a nosedive as a result of the stormy end to the marching season and the flag protests over the winter.

Even before that there were signs of difficulty. Despite investment in projects like Titanic Belfast, favourable testimonials by travel writers and the 'Our Time, Our Place' campaign, tourist revenue in 2012 actually declined by 12% year-on-year and the number of nights tourists spent here was down by a tenth.

Wages are also low by UK and Irish standards, especially in the private sector. "We don't have an innovative economy," said Dr Nolan. "If you look at the qualifications, you have to ask yourself why any company would want to come here unless they are going to get tax breaks. We don't have a particularly skilled workforce – 29% of workers have no qualifications whatsoever, and in terms of degrees we are lower than the UK average. Our education system is good at the top end but it seems that the brightest and best are still leaving despite peace."

Do you think Brexit will improve this situation? The majority of NI voters think not.
As in the rest of the UK, depressed regions have the government in Westminster to thank for their plight.

'Southern Ireland' and NI alike stand to gain a lot from reunification of the island. In particular, the whole island stands to gain in the agriculture and food production sectors and also by being able to leverage the intellectual resources of all the island's universities and other third level institutions. With Ireland remaining in the framework of the EU and the UK out, the continued existence of NI makes even less sense from an economic and political than it ever did before. Both NI and Ireland have benefited greatly from transport, regional and other EU funds, and rationalising the distribution of such funds on an all-island basis would make sense from a financial pov. Economic planning would also be streamlined if the entire island had the same currency and belonged to the same huge and well established trading bloc.

But according to you ^The republicans see the EU as a way to circumvent/bash the 'English' government'. This reflects a poverty of outlook that I am afraid no amount of rational argument will ever change

My views are that Brexit is of little concern in N.I.
That explains the majority vote against it by supporters of several major parties Hmm.
Your views are those of someone whose political opinions are not based on economic self interest, which is where the Remain majority were coming from.

Your comment reveals a contempt for the majority, who are apparently well able to see past the futile tribalism and vote based on economic self interest.

The current crisis has nothing what so ever to do with Brexit and is just a boiling over of tensions that have been simmering for the past decade.
If you mean DUP resentment at having to share power, then you are right. I suspect you do not see intransigence and indulgence in a tribal myth, belief in exceptionalism and entitlement to special treatment as problems though.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 23:11

Labour have selection Gillian Troughton as their candidate for Copeland.

She's been on the council for some time and previously worked on an anti-BNP campaign in the area (which is interesting experience given the current climate)
Story here

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