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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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Peregrina · 19/01/2017 10:28

I am not sure what May is getting at there. Are all of her speeches full of such verbiage? She needs to consider what Mrs Thatcher's actions had on loosening the ties of community.

BTW Mrs May - the 1950s finished more than half a century ago.

prettybird · 19/01/2017 10:30

Re the JAMs, I think that TM throwing a few million at grammar schools is her idea of "helping" them Hmm

At least I live in a fully comprehensive country - irrelevant here Wink

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 10:32

Suppermummy - I don't know how old you are but I am old enough (just) to remember the UK (the most comfortable parts of it) before membership of the EEC. I then went to live in continental Europe. My sister and I have spent our entire lives with one foot in the UK and one in other Western EU countries. If you think that EU membership has not been incredibly beneficial to progress and prosperity in the U.K. you are ignorant.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 10:34

What progress is being sacrificed? None of us can predict the future, but my point was that the Germans fell in behind Hitler, or failed to stop him and that is what they effectively did to themselves.

A majority of the electorate did not vote for Brexit and of those who voted Leave there were conflicting votes. I stand by my comment that the Referendum was to appease a few Tory loons. I will be surprised if history does not record it that way too, (except I will be dead then.)

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 10:42

"But just as we need to address the economic inequalities that have emerged in recent years, so we also need to recognise the way that a more global and individualistic world can sometimes loosen the ties that bind our society together, leaving some people feeling locked out and left behind"

What nonsense, where is the evidence for the claim that digital communication makes people more apathetic toward their local communities? Just because she believes this, doesn't mean it's true.

As well as allowing people to connect with others nationally and globally, information communication technologies enable people to communicate and engage locally more easily (see location based services etc.) Theresa May is so out of touch.

As a result of having access to the Internet MN I am now fully trained up and qualified in two different voluntary organisations and am helping families in my immediate locality in my spare time and without earning a penny. This would not have happened without access to digital communication.

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 10:43

and... I am a citizen of nowhere according to May.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 10:48

On the 'Digital Economy Bill' it is TM's Sorm: If they need to find mums net traitors why bother to vote on it?
www.newstatesman.com/world/2017/01/putins-revenge
The Kremlin’s alarm at the upsurge of virtual opposition and street protest was intensified by the Arab spring in 2011. Much international comment highlighted the role of a young “Facebook Generation” in countries such as Egypt and Tunisia, fostering a “digital democracy” that toppled long-standing autocrats – supposedly financed and supported by Washington. Putin liked to claim that the protests in Russia had also been stirred up and/or funded by the then US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton. Little wonder that one of his priority projects after winning the 2012 election was refining a sophisticated system of internet surveillance known as Sorm, run from part of the old secret-police headquarters of Lenin’s Cheka and Stalin’s KGB in Lubyanka Square, Moscow. With that in mind, the oppositionist Ryzhkov declared that even though Russian society was now very mature and “European”, the regime was “still Chekist-Soviet”. This, he said, was the “main contradiction” in contemporary Russia.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 10:52

But just as we need to address the economic inequalities

Here you go then Mrs May - introduce legislation to abolish zero hours contracts and make it compulsory to pay people an on call allowance, if they are in jobs where the work is spasmodic and subject to peaks and troughs. Can't afford it? Why not? Brexit is the land of opportunity, or don't you actually believe that?

whatwouldrondo · 19/01/2017 10:54

Our community has been much enhanced by having a community website that has made us all much more aware of not just what is happening but also the issues that affect us. It has acted as a focus for activism and several local activist groups have had their conception there. Of course our Council Leader, known there as "the Blue Baron" is none too happy because he has been thwarted on two of his five proposed projects which hijacked our community for the interests of his powerful friends, or the elite as I think we would call them if we were not all so liberal...... He is frustrated that the Council website do not get to set the agenda and dictate the spin news.

whatwouldrondo · 19/01/2017 10:55

It has also been a focus for local charities, and volunteering

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 10:55

which permits primary legislation passed by the devolved legislatures, as well as secondary devolved legislation, to be amended by statutory instrument at the behest of a UK Government minister without the consent or involvement of the relevant devolved legislatures or governments.
in DT yesterday:
Northern Ireland's system of government is broken. We must review the Good Friday Agreement
LAURENCE ROBERTSON (Freedom Association and anti equal pay voter, and some other stuff)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/18/northern-irelands-system-government-broken-must-review-good/

So no more independence you naughty celts (bet they wish they hadn't let the immigrants in!)

Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 10:56

If you voted leave and want a UK/US trade deal, you just have (won the right to eat chlorine washed chicken and loose their workers rights)

a) I might (or not) have the right to eat American chicken but I can actually choose not to. That's what so great about rights, they allow me to exercise free will.

b) Doing a trade deal with America does not mean we have to end workers rights, that is just a lie.

What has trump got to do with Brexit ? Everything

We got a referendum before trump was even mentioned as a presidential candidate. We had the referendum before anyone even thought trump had the slightest chance of winning the Presidency. We voted to leave the EU with the American president telling us we would be at the back of the queue. Out vote had NOTHING to do with trump.

What do you know about Singapore
Probably the same as most other people. The point being when we take back our sovereignty from the EU we will have the choice of what we want to be, if we dont like that choice we can elect a different government and follow a different vision. We will have democratic control to build a UK that works for us, not have the EU dictate what we have to be.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 10:57

People don't volunteer and contribute to local issues more often than not because of longer working hours and working further from home.

Too many people I know leave for work before 8am. They start work before 9am and finish after 6pm. They do not get home until close til 7pm. DH working until after 8pm isn't uncommon. He also works from home in the evenings from time to time.

Most community related things start at 7 - 7.30pm.

If both parents are working, by the time they have picked up the kids from whatever child care they have, and made dinner this makes it IMPOSSIBLE to do anything in the local community and actually eat.

If one partner works part time then maybe they can take kids to extra curricular stuff and have dinner on the table when the other partner walks through the door.

This is why older people are dominating local politics and local volunteering.

DH can ONLY do the volunteering he does because I do not work full time. Most people do not have that luxury. Not to mention I am damn tolerant of him being out doing x, y or z and not spending as much time as I'd like as a family.

But yes. Its the internet.

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woman12345 · 19/01/2017 10:58

"digital communication makes people more apathetic toward their local communities"
Digital democracy will go, it's our free press, and free press doesn't survive under totalitarianism.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 11:00

As far as the GFA is concerned, I personally would say, by all means keep reviewing Treaties to see if they are still working as intended, and pass amendments if necessary. To cloth eared May, I would remind her that this is an International Treaty, so do think about what message you will send if you just decide that you can rip international treaties up.

whatwouldrondo · 19/01/2017 11:00

Oh and when one of the Blue Barons projects threatened to leave the community without enough secondary school places, not only was an activist group conceived but the ensuing debate on the Mumsnet local pages (currently on its seventh or eighth thread) saw the conception of a five form entry, parent led, inclusive, coed, comprehensive, community Free School, now in its second year.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 11:05

It's a fib. She wants to shut down digital democracy. Good luck with that, though, the young generation know so little about computers!

Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 11:08

Bobochic
I have never said that the EEC (now EU) has not been beneficial to the UK, I believe it has. But just because it once was does not mean it always will be. The EU has changed immensely from the EEC. Cameron tried to renegotiate with the EU to reform it but they just weren't interested and it was clear it was never going to. Our vision of the UK has just diverged to much from where the EU is going. Its not just the UK that is fed up with whats happening, there are very large numbers in other countries that feel the same. We are all grown up enough to find a better way of coexisting together that works for us all.

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 11:08

Suppermummy02 >>>>>> BrexBot? just kiddin, feeling grumpy as having to deal with tricky people this morning

Most PTAs, Scouting, etc use FB groups to organise activities and reach out to members thus knitting closer ties. Being individualistic (integral to modern Western civilisation) let's us choose what we'd like to participate in provided our work life balance allows this as red is saying.

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 11:11

I very much agree that Theresa May is out of touch with modern reality. The vicar's daughter who has not had to personally confront a fast changing society by needing to raise children within it...

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 11:11

"It's a fib. She wants to shut down digital democracy. Good luck with that, though, the young generation know so little about computers!"
Yupp... and some young ones are even into hacking when things don't go their way politically www.channel4.com/news/trump-cyber-tsar-giuliani-among-swathes-of-hacked-top-appointees

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 11:14

The hard Brexiteers' vision of the UK is mindless. There is no free trade without regulation. If you cut yourself off from regulatory frameworks you can trade with no one. No jobs Britain will be a horrible place.

Suppermummy02 · 19/01/2017 11:14

Peregrina You have mentioned Hitler therefore you have lost the argument.

FYI
Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%)
Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%)
Total Electorate: 46,500,001 (The largest number of voters in history)
Turnout: 72.2%
A majority of the electorate voted to leave the EU aka Brexit

JWIM · 19/01/2017 11:18

Suppermummy02 forgive me my arithmetic ignorance, but surely a majority of the electorate (46,500,001) would be 232,5000,001, not 17,410,742.

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